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From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Jadis
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:14:31 -0600 (MDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n409
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ilter networks about the
phase offsets in the big praying mantis speaker? Has anyone heard it? If
the offsets are uncompensated, are they audible?
Doug Purl
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From: irishtom@webtv.net (tom brennan)
Subject: Re: Jadis
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:07:01 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n409
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Doug---I know nothing about the Jadis but it's funny you bring this up.
I was idley thumbing through my ancient copy of Badmaieff's and Davis'
"How to Build Speaker Enclosures" today. I was reading the part about
how they became aware of the phasing problem when in 1935 tap dancing
was reproduced with an echo when the low and hi horns had an 8' path
difference. Then it was found that a difference of 3 milleseconds or
less (about 2.5 feet?) was inaudible when the x-over was at 350 to 900
cycles. I've always thought this phasing thing was kind of a non-issue,
as it's hard to achieve perfectly with horns (especially with KHorns or
LaScalas) but I like them best anyway.
Tom Brennan
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:14:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
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Subject: Jadis
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Does anyone know if anything is done in the filter networks about the
phase offsets in the big praying mantis speaker? Has anyone heard it? If
the offsets are uncompensated, are they audible?
Doug Purl
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From: Fred Volz <fcv@emotiveaudio.com>
Subject: Re: Jadis
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:08:26 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n410
Douglas Purl wrote:
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Why am I getting so many messages that look like this?
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From: "T. Loesch" <ezee_e@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: JADIS Orchrestra Schematic needed
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:51:34 PDT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n310
Hi all,
>I am looking for the schematic for the JADIS valve amp. Have tried
>to get them from JADIS(France) but no success.
Based no Valve Complement, Output Rating and common sense:
ECC83 Input Stage, directcoupled (or capacitor-coupled) to a ECC83 as
Concertina (split load) Phase Inverter, capacitivly coupled to Cathode
biased (or maybe Fixed Bias) EL34 in Ultralinear (distributed load)
Configuartion. I'd say +B about 420-450V....
As this is a "direct input" Amp the amount of NFB applied would be
fairly low, they need the sensitivity. It would also help the sound a
lot.... ;-).
Do you need to fix one of these or do you want to copy such a baby?
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From: SHAMSUL Bahrin Kamarudin <shamsul.BK@innosabah.com.my>
Subject: JADIS Orchrestra Schematic needed
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:10:38 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n310
Greeting fellow Joe-Netters,
I am looking for the schematic for the JADIS valve amp. Have tried to get
them from JADIS(France) but no success.
Any help is much appreciated.
Regards.
::-)
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From: SHAMSUL Bahrin Kamarudin <shamsul.BK@innosabah.com.my>
Subject: Ref:>Re: JADIS Orchrestra Schematic needed
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:55:35 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n312
T. Loesch on 14/06/1998 around 9:51 AM -0700 wrote ..........
- ->
- ->Based no Valve Complement, Output Rating and common sense:
- ->
- ->ECC83 Input Stage, directcoupled (or capacitor-coupled) to a ECC83 as
- ->Concertina (split load) Phase Inverter, capacitivly coupled to Cathode
- ->biased (or maybe Fixed Bias) EL34 in Ultralinear (distributed load)
- ->Configuartion. I'd say +B about 420-450V....
- ->
- ->As this is a "direct input" Amp the amount of NFB applied would be
- ->fairly low, they need the sensitivity. It would also help the sound a
- ->lot.... ;-).
- ->
Noted. Thanks for the brief information. Sorry for the late reply as I was
away on annual leave, just got back to the office.
- ->Do you need to fix one of these or do you want to copy such a baby?
- ->
I own such a unit. Just need to re-bias them output tubes. Don't really
know how to bias them properly as I want to change the original tubes with
other makers.
- ->Kind regards Thorsten.
- ->
Same goes to your end.
Regards.
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: Jadis, was "A Future without feedback"
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:06:19 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n155
At 18:21 06/01/1998 +0100, Emile Sprenger wrote:
>Many so-called high-end manufactures don't care about what's going on
>inside the amp (for example, look at the schematic of a Jadis amp).
J.C.Morrison wrote on the 02/01/98:
"if you have ever spent any time with a large jadis amp, you will have some
idea of
this. a 12AX7 driving more than 25pf is a joke. kind of like wading in
pudding. (my opinion only: jadis is a scam)"
So, in a single week that's the second "anti Jadis" post on the list
speaking of them as if they were morons and I think I must bring here some
infos. I don't want to stand up for Jadis but just to correct some unfairness.
Once, after a demo of Jadis amplifiers, I attended to a conference by the 2
guys (I think their name are Combettes and Caffi) at the head of Jadis.
One of the 2 is a real tube lover and connoisseur since the 60's. That guy
(I think possess a huge knowledge in tube audio technology, it was obvious
when you listened his answers to questions from people attending the conference.
On their PP amplifiers, Jadis used classical shematics, not original ones.
Mainly they prefer the Loyez schematics. Their own input is mainly in their
OPT they build themselves. They used also selected high quality components
and give a huge attention to components implementation (I appreciate very
much their wirings and implementation in the best european way, IMHO an
example for us ...)
They were perfectly aware that the use of a lot of parallel tubes in some of
their very first products like the original Jadis 200 was a source of
problem with the Loyez schematics, that's why further modifications were
introduced (for my own I know at least 3 different versions of the Jadis
200). They are also aware than some of those designs are not very conservative.
For their own they prefer a PP using a single pair of output tube. They have
to build the parallel PP mainly because of a demand from far eastern
countries (Taiwan, Corea, Japan...). Few years ago 80% of their big
amplifiers were sold in those last countries.
I attended the conference several years ago, far before they introduced
their SE amp, during the conference they told us that "they don't believe in
the SE amps future..."
We can see they change their minds.
I appreciated several of their amplifiers, the JA80, the JA30, amplifiers
their owner can be proud of them.
Until recently their demos were very good, attending at them was a real
pleasure.
Since 2 years they are a real disaster, chats, noises (clicks, buzzs...).
May be they are at a point at which their name and their image is sufficient
to ensure prosperity...
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France.
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: Japanese notice to be translated.
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:13:18 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n160
Hello,
For last Christmas, Santa Claus brought me a very nice pair of Onken OS5000T
tweeters, probably one of the 2 or 3 best tweeters in the world...
The 2 pages notice is , like the tweeters,... handmade, most surely
handwritten by E. Koizumi himself. The problem is: I don't read japanese.
I plug the tweeters in place of my JBL tweeters and after 2 days of ageing,
the sound of the Onken tweeters is simply marvelous! (BTW a perfect fit with
my TAD2001...)
I would like to know what is written in the notice that's why I ask:
"can someone help me with the translation?". (Thomas Dunker did you find
someone to translate your documentation about the Goto drivers?)
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: Thomas Dunker <dunker@invalid.ed.unit.no>
Subject: Re: Japanese notice to be translated.
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:13:54 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n160
On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Le Cleac'h J.-M. wrote:
> I would like to know what is written in the notice that's why I ask:
> "can someone help me with the translation?". (Thomas Dunker did you find
> someone to translate your documentation about the Goto drivers?)
No, the German guy (Lorenz Slansky - anyone who has his e-mail
address????) who obtained the catalog from Japan hired a professional
translation bureau for the job. Don't we have a couple of Japanese
individuals here at JoeNet?
Tom D.
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From: John Levreault <jlevro@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Japanese vocalist
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:02:44 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n175
At 09:31 AM 1/29/98 -0600, Dale.Simon@ps.net wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with a Japanese Alto/Tenor? Yoshi Kosumiro (I
> have slaughtered his name for certain). I caught part of a
> program on NPR last night in which he was featured. Apparently
> he is very popular in Japan. I believe he is also featured on a
> compilation of Japanese art songs called Nightingale.
> Thanks for any help,
>
>
I heard the same program. Wow. My guess on his name is Yoshiko Mira.
I recall that his latest CD is entitled "Mothers' Songs" or something like
that.
JL
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From: Dale.Simon@ps.net
Subject: Japanese vocalist
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 9:31:00 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n175
Is anyone familiar with a Japanese Alto/Tenor? Yoshi Kosumiro (I
have slaughtered his name for certain). I caught part of a
program on NPR last night in which he was featured. Apparently
he is very popular in Japan. I believe he is also featured on a
compilation of Japanese art songs called Nightingale.
Thanks for any help,
Dale
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From: Joe Pledger <doodle@navicom.com>
Subject: Jazz
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:11:36 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
Hi All,
Mercy, Mercy, Mercy!
Guess that says it all. (Was talking to a Black Friend some time back,
and mentioned that. He said, Yes, my Dad used to listen to that..!)
Had a lot of it on open reel tape, but lost it all some years ago.
Some of sounded "dated" but guess you have to be in the mood for the
older, originals.?!?
I.e., heard any of the old original Roland Kirk flute pieces?
Joe Pledger
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: "Jazz at the Pawnshop 2 "
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:31 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n329
Here is the reference for:
"Jazz at the pawnshop 2"
PRCRD 9044
recorded December 6-7, 1976
1) Over the rainbow
2) Gubben och kallingen
3) in a mallow tone
4) Nancy with the laughing face
5) High life (take 2)
6) Poor butterfly
7) Exactly like you
8) Things ain't what they used to be
9) It don't mean a thing
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: "Jazz at the Pawnshop 2 " ( was hifi98)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:15:07 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n326
Hello,
Everybody refers as this record as it was unique.
If memory serves me correctly there is also a second CD:
Jazz at the Pawnshop 2.
Have both at home, I'll check the exact references tonight.
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: Eric Weitzman <eweitzman@acm.org>
Subject: RE: "Jazz at the Pawnshop 2 " ( was hifi98)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:34:44 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n327
The notes in the Proprius CD that I had for a few days refered
to a double LP. The CD liner notes mentioned a few songs
that weren't actually on the CD -- I figured that they were
on a second CD. The new HDCD and XRCD releases are,
I believe, double CD sets. Not that I'd be willing to spend
$60 on either...
- - Eric, "pawnshop" critic and snob ;-)
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From: Le Cleac'h J.-M.
Sent: Monday, June 29, 1998 2:15 AM
To: 'sound@io.com'
Subject: "Jazz at the Pawnshop 2 " ( was hifi98)
Hello,
Everybody refers as this record as it was unique.
If memory serves me correctly there is also a second CD:
Jazz at the Pawnshop 2.
Have both at home, I'll check the exact references tonight.
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: bill gardner <wg44929@navix.net>
Subject: jazz ON vinyl ?
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:32:28 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n505
Wow ..... all I was trying to find out was , were can I buy old classic
Jazz , it can be re issue or original pressings . I learned Kal is only
interested in new classical , one gentleman lectured me about this stuff
isn't cheap,( remember what bugs said about money ... its just dirty paper
) anyway it appears I can purchase this stuff at - Acoustic Sounds,
mobile fidelity , cheskey, right ? ok were else , can I get it from blue
note , do they sell direct to us consumer types ? any place else , what
about the famous princeton record shop in NJ , do they have new or
reissues? by the way Kal perhaps next week you could teach a class about
..... Confusing the weak mind of an old ex musician turned engineer, who is
trying to find Jazz on big black plastic thangs called records who thinks
The new technology called compact disks sucks compared to the old outdated
black round
plastic that makes pops and cracks ,,,,, but sounds like real music . Have
a great turkeyday and thanks for the help . Bill Gardner
or write a paper : he listened to dizz and dexter on cd and now hes gets
hooked up to the house current .
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From: William Eckle <wmeckle@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: jazz ON vinyl ?
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:18:41 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n505
At 10:32 AM 11/26/98 -0600, bill gardner wrote:
>Wow ..... all I was trying to find out was , were can I buy old classic
>Jazz , it can be re issue or original pressings .
>can I get it from blue
>note , do they sell direct to us consumer types ?
Hi Bill:
Blue Note does have several HQ vinyl LPs of vintage performances.
Catalog at: True Blue Music, 35 Melrose Pl. Stanford, CT 06902-7533 (203) 327 7111
trueblue@ix.netcom.com
Also more vintage performances on Mosaic Records on LP at: the same address
an phone as above, mosrec@ix.netcom.com
Have ordered from both & have been well satisifed. Sorry Kal. no classical there.
<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>-=Bill Eckle=-
</color></bold>wmeckle@uswest.net
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Phoenix, Arizona
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: jazz ON vinyl ?
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:13:40 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n506
At 10:32 AM -0600 11/26/98, bill gardner wrote:
>Wow ..... all I was trying to find out was , were can I buy old classic
>Jazz , it can be re issue or original pressings . I learned Kal is only
>interested in new classical , one gentleman lectured me about this stuff
>isn't cheap,( remember what bugs said about money ... its just dirty paper
>) anyway it appears I can purchase this stuff at - Acoustic Sounds,
>mobile fidelity , cheskey, right ? ok were else , can I get it from blue
>note , do they sell direct to us consumer types ? any place else , what
>about the famous princeton record shop in NJ , do they have new or
>reissues? by the way Kal perhaps next week you could teach a class about
>..... Confusing the weak mind of an old ex musician turned engineer, who is
>trying to find Jazz on big black plastic thangs called records who thinks
>The new technology called compact disks sucks compared to the old outdated
>black round
>plastic that makes pops and cracks ,,,,, but sounds like real music . Have
>a great turkeyday and thanks for the help . Bill Gardner
>
>or write a paper : he listened to dizz and dexter on cd and now hes gets
>hooked up to the house current .
Some other sources for new jazz vinyl, Bill:
Try Stash Records and IAJRC (International Assoc. of Jazz Record
Collectors). They both have web sites but I don't have the urls handy...
Grover Gardner
groverg@postoffice.att.net
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From: Andrew Wendelborn <andrew@cs.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: jazz ON vinyl ?
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:19:03 +1030
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n507
This got me interested, so I did some searching:
>Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:18:41 -0700
>From: William Eckle <wmeckle@uswest.net>
> Blue Note does have several HQ vinyl LPs of vintage performances.
>
>Catalog at: True Blue Music, 35 Melrose Pl. Stanford, CT 06902-7533
>(203) 327 7111
>
>trueblue@ix.netcom.com
The URL for this is http://www.bluenote.com/vinyl.html
with a list of titles on LP (but they seem to have only
cds via the online ordering system)
> Also more vintage performances on Mosaic Records on LP at: the
>same address and phone as above, mosrec@ix.netcom.com
A search on mosaic records turns up some interesting
stuff:
http://www.uni-duisburg.de/AVMZ/frohne/discos/mosaic.htm
a list that seems to have been updated Mar 98
http://www.audiophileusa.com/MOSAIC.HTM
a nice looking online catalogue
they have an interesting vinyl list at
http://www.audiophileusa.com/NEWVINYL.HTM
from Sinatra to Stereolab, as well as Blue Note;
no classical unless you count LSO playing
Zappa (at $10 I'm ordering it)
Someone suggested Fantasy Records
http://www.fantasyjazz.com/
with a catalogue of new OJCs at typically $9.98.
Can be ordered by fax .
I've seen these OJCs in SF at Castro St Tower Records on
my last visit (Nov 97), and even at home, in
Adelaide, Australia (where vinyl is a touch scarce). So
maybe they're readily available?
regards
Andrew
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From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
Subject: Jazz Stuff
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:41:17 -0400 (AST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
I thought I'd throw in some of my favourites. I didn't notice anyone
mention Count Basie yet. His big band stuff is lots of fun but what I
really enjoy are the smaller bands he gets together. All three of the
"Basie Jam" records are huge fun, especially the first one, and his "Basie
and Zoot" with Zoot Sims on horn is, in my humble opinion, one of the
greatest jazz records ever. There is also a "Basie and Ella" record that I
have only heard, but don't own, but can reccomend anyway.
just my $0.02(Can.) worth
Cheers
Richard Nevill
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:27:29 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n209
Hi all,
I really like late hard bop/early freeish jazz of the Jackie McLean, Eric
Dolphy, Roland Kirk type. Anyone have any faves they want to suggest?
I am hoping this will set off the kind of response that the subject of
movies did a while back.
Regards,
Mark
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From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:17:58 -0600 (CST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n209
Free jazz! One of my favorite topics... i used to work as a cook, and for
a while, i had a fellow cook who also loved free jazz (and was a
musician). Nothing like a little Albert Ayler to drive everyone else from
the kitchen...
Anyway, my favorite jazz album of all time is "The Shape of Jazz to Come"
by Ornette Coleman. It takes a while to "get it", but once you understand
how and why Ornette plays, nothing will sound the same again.
Another favorite is "Ask the Ages", by the late Sonny Sharrock. Sonny
said he wasn't a guitarist, he was "a horn player with a really fucked up
axe". It's true. His "horn" was a Les Paul, with stupid-heavy strings,
blasting through a wide-open Marshall amp. He didn't play chords, just
single-note lines, trying to get the vibe of an overblown tenor sax. It
works, and it's brilliant. This particular album is my favorite. It was
produced by Bill Laswell, who understands the power of a wide-open
electric guitar (he has also produced Motorhead, and some avant-garde
jazz-metal like Praxis). So unlike the jazz producers who told Sonny to
turn it down, Laswell captured his tone perfectly. On this album, he was
backed by Elvin Jones on drums and Pharoah Sanders on sax, both at their
best as well.
If you like Sonny Sharrock, be sure to check out the band Last Exit as
well, with Laswell on bass.
This all crosses over to the New York "skronk" jazz scene. Find some Bill
Frissell, or Naked City (my second favorite... ask Tom Ronan how i abused
his Lowthers with this one!), or anything of that ilk.
- -dave
Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
<dstagner@icarus.net>
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From: Jeroen Euwe <EUWE@let-trans.let.ruu.nl>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:45:36 GMT+0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n209
> Hi all,
>
> I really like late hard bop/early freeish jazz of the Jackie McLean, Eric
> Dolphy, Roland Kirk type. Anyone have any faves they want to suggest?
>
> I am hoping this will set off the kind of response that the subject of
> movies did a while back.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
Hey Mark,
have you heard the last reording session Eric Dolphy did? It's called
"Last Date". Other players were Han Bennink on drums (he's
absolutely *great*) and Mischa Mengelberg on piano. There was a
wonderful documentary on TV a few years back on this recording with interviews
with Han and Mischa and others.
Another great album is "Out There".
Regards,
Jeroen
Jeroen.Euwe@let.ruu.nl
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From: Grego Sanguinetti <grego@latticesemi.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:10:04 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
Hi gang, just checking in on a 5minute break from the 70+hour/week
recent schedule. Sheesh there are 650 messages in my SP folder,
guess I need to do some catch up....
anyway this one caught my eye.
On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Mark Donen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I really like late hard bop/early freeish jazz of the Jackie McLean, Eric
> Dolphy, Roland Kirk type. Anyone have any faves they want to suggest?
LOVE it!!!!
try any of the following: They are some of my all time faves
Sam Rivers - any
Dave Holland - "Conference of the Birds"
Joe Farrel - "Outback"
Joe Henderson - "In Search of Blackness"
Erik Kloss - "Consiousness"
Marion Brown
Lee Morgan - "Mr Kenyata"
Circle - "Paris Circle Concert"
Elvin Jones - the quartet series with Dave Liebman and Steve Grossman
so many more but I gotta get back to work, sigh....
-grego
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From: Plaato <Plaato@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:16:40 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
"Reflections" -Steve Lacy-Music of Thelonious Monk-(killer quartet)
"The Quest"-Mal Waldron, featuring Eric Dolphy and Ron carter (on cello)
I've always loved trombonist Roswell Rudd, but he may be a bit too "out".
Rozz is enjoying something of a comeback these days. long overdue. Then
there's Rashaan Roland Kirk.....Better stop here......
Bright Moments,
Henry
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:56:14 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
Thanks very much to all who replied to my Jazz question.
I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do it!
What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
Best,
Mark
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From: Paul Joppa <pdj@ISDNseattle.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:50:51 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
> What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
Well, real music comes to mind ... <grin>
OK, OK, please don't flame me - everyone has their own kind
of music that does it for them. Mine is Mahler, but it's all
music and it's all magic. And triodes seem to make it magic,
whatever it is.
- -Paul
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From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:20:26 -0400 (AST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
Okay,
if you want to keep this going I'm going to suggest John Coltrane "Blue
Note". Absolutley great jazz (of the quintet type ala Miles early stuff),
very well recorded, get the record if you can find it or the cd even
sounds good.
Might not be in the vein of stuff that this thread started out about,
but everyone should have a copy of it anyway, especially if you like jazz.
Cheers
Richard Nevill
BTW I understand there is a CD-ROM version of this album that has
pictures, etc. to go with the music. Haven't checked it out yet. And I
can't bring myself to buy it and listen to on the crappy PC sound system.
Hmmmmmm, anybody have an idea for a SE amp to use with the computer
speakers, or maybe something better.
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Mark Donen wrote:
>
> Thanks very much to all who replied to my Jazz question.
>
> I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do it!
> What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:05:20 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
I think the record you are referring to is called "Blue Train" on the Blue
Note label. I agree this is a great and essential record. I must have
bought at least four copies of it over the years. (I now have the "Ultimate
Blue Train"!). As far as I know, it is the biggest selling and I guess best
loved of all in the Blue Note catalog.
Regards,
Mark
> From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
> To: Mark Donen <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: joelist <sound@deliverator.io.com>
> Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
> Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 10:20 PM
>
>
> Okay,
> if you want to keep this going I'm going to suggest John Coltrane "Blue
> Note". Absolutley great jazz (of the quintet type ala Miles early stuff),
> very well recorded, get the record if you can find it or the cd even
> sounds good.
> Might not be in the vein of stuff that this thread started out about,
> but everyone should have a copy of it anyway, especially if you like
jazz.
>
> Cheers
> Richard Nevill
>
> BTW I understand there is a CD-ROM version of this album that has
> pictures, etc. to go with the music. Haven't checked it out yet. And I
> can't bring myself to buy it and listen to on the crappy PC sound system.
> Hmmmmmm, anybody have an idea for a SE amp to use with the computer
> speakers, or maybe something better.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Mark Donen wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks very much to all who replied to my Jazz question.
> >
> > I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do
it!
> > What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mark
> >
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From: William Eckle <wmeckle@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:54:02 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
At 08:39 AM 3/7/98 GMT, David N. Barnett wrote:
>This might be a bit conservative compared to the artists mentioned in
>this thread so far, but any MJQ fans out there?
Hi David:
Even though I'm a huge Weather Report fan, I also get into the MJQ (is that non generic jazz o
r what ?),
I love the way John Lewis knows which notes NOT to play ! Reminds me a lot of Basie, who had the sam
e
attributes. Contrast that with Joe Zawinul who plays lots of layered keyboard notes. Guess there is
no accounting for taste ?
BTW: Hi from the TAN days (before I was kicked off for daring to call J. Atkison on his lies).
<bold><underline>-=<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Bill
Eckle</color>=-
</underline></bold>wmeckle@primenet.com
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param> Phoenix, Arizona
USA</color></italic>
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From: Marc Stager <ssound@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 05:23:55 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
> I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do it!
> What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
> Best,
>
> Mark
===========================================================
More often than not, 7.5 IPS prerecorded r-r tapes sound better than vinyl.
On of the most incredible recordings I have, bar none, is a tape of
Miles Davis' and Gil Evans' "Sketches of Spain. There are moments when the
muted trumpet and the brass chords are spine tingling in their realism.
The music is gorgeous as well.
Speaking of triodes, I just finished reworking a pair of Mac MC-60's
for triode operation - also took out rectifier tubes and replaced them
with Harris fast diodes. Sounds promising. I'll listen to this tape
again tomorrow and see if there is a major improvement over the stock
version. I also replaced the Tung Sol 6550's with Genalex KT-88's.
The 88's seem to be a little more airy sounding in triode.
_____________________________________________________ MS
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From: "Bottlehead" <Bottlehead@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:05:28 -0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
>
> Well, real music comes to mind ... <grin>
>
> OK, OK, please don't flame me - everyone has their own kind
> of music that does it for them. Mine is Mahler, but it's all
> music and it's all magic. And triodes seem to make it magic,
> whatever it is.
>
> -Paul
Snob.
Doc B.
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From: davidbarnett@aristotle.net (David N. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 08:39:25 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:56:14 -0500, "Mark Donen"
<soledadd@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do it!
>What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
This might be a bit conservative compared to the artists mentioned in
this thread so far, but any MJQ fans out there? Just thought I'd
mention that I mixed live sound for the Tootie Heath Quartet a few
weeks ago (and made a board tape...). The man is a total sweetheart.
Did a pretty good show, too, much better than the John Scofield set I
suffered through a few weeks prior. Sco would've been better if he
hadn't used so many cheesy gimmicks on his guitar.
- --dnb
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From: "Greg Monfort" <wingracer@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:32:56 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
Big time. Growing up on a steady diet of big bands including Lionel
Hampton, MJQ was my first foray into the world of jazz. "The
Legendary Profile" album is my personal fave.
GM
- -----Original Message-----
>This might be a bit conservative compared to the artists mentioned
in
>this thread so far, but any MJQ fans out there?
>
>--dnb
>
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From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:23:44 -0400 (AST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
You are, of course, right Mark
That's what I get for staying up late and typing :-(
Cheers
Richard
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Mark Donen wrote:
> I think the record you are referring to is called "Blue Train" on the Blue
> Note label. I agree this is a great and essential record. I must have
> bought at least four copies of it over the years. (I now have the "Ultimate
> Blue Train"!). As far as I know, it is the biggest selling and I guess best
> loved of all in the Blue Note catalog.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> > From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
> > To: Mark Donen <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
> > Cc: joelist <sound@deliverator.io.com>
> > Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
> > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 10:20 PM
> >
> >
> > Okay,
> > if you want to keep this going I'm going to suggest John Coltrane "Blue
> > Note". Absolutley great jazz (of the quintet type ala Miles early stuff),
> > very well recorded, get the record if you can find it or the cd even
> > sounds good.
> > Might not be in the vein of stuff that this thread started out about,
> > but everyone should have a copy of it anyway, especially if you like
> jazz.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Richard Nevill
> >
> > BTW I understand there is a CD-ROM version of this album that has
> > pictures, etc. to go with the music. Haven't checked it out yet. And I
> > can't bring myself to buy it and listen to on the crappy PC sound system.
> > Hmmmmmm, anybody have an idea for a SE amp to use with the computer
> > speakers, or maybe something better.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Mark Donen wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks very much to all who replied to my Jazz question.
> > >
> > > I'd like to keep up a quasi regular Jazz info string. Let's try to do
> it!
> > > What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
>
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From: Kalman Rubinson <rubinsnk@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:56:32 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Bottlehead wrote:
> >
> > Well, real music comes to mind ... <grin>
> >
> > OK, OK, please don't flame me - everyone has their own kind
> > of music that does it for them. Mine is Mahler, but it's all
> > music and it's all magic. And triodes seem to make it magic,
> > whatever it is.
> >
> > -Paul
>
> Snob.
Not how I read it.
Kal
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From: Carter Hendricks <carterh@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:01:08 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
At 09:50 PM 3/6/98 -0800, Paul Joppa wrote:
>> What are we worrying about triodes for if not Jazz??
>
>Well, real music comes to mind ... <grin>
>
>OK, OK, please don't flame me - everyone has their own kind
>of music that does it for them. Mine is Mahler,
Mahler.
We were working on Wesley Lowe's Alfa on Thursday & Friday.
Wesley buys music [classical] for a local group of CD stores.
His car is full of trade mags Grammophones and loose CD's.
I grabbed Mahler's 5th / Riccardo Chailly / Royal Concertgebouw
Orchestra [London/1998] and put it in the shop carrousel.
When Wesley picked up the car he noticed what happened to
be playing and I said yes and oh, yeah it was his CD. He said
play it awhile. He also said that some of the recent Concertgebouw
Mahler's weren't recorded so well -- weird, he said, since the
group was named for the hall they had ought to be able to get
that part right. Brought it home...
This one is right. I don't have any other 5th's around to compare,
but this one is cool. And you sure can hear / feel the hall.
Somewhere on the box it says Jakob Slagter is the trumpet. He
runs the show. This is a powerful recording of powerful music.
Impossible not to focus on the performance. Impossible to do
anything else. It swings? Sometimes. Stephen Rochlin playing
air trumpet.
So much for the snob //// idea. But this CD does not like wimp
amps. My 417 / Lucas Cant amp needed a fast volume adjustment
when the whole orchestra followed the trumpet solo intro.
--Carter
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From: "Bottlehead" <Bottlehead@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:30:33 -0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
>
> On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Bottlehead wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Well, real music comes to mind ... <grin>
> > >
> > > OK, OK, please don't flame me - everyone has their own kind
> > > of music that does it for them. Mine is Mahler, but it's all
> > > music and it's all magic. And triodes seem to make it magic,
> > > whatever it is.
> > >
> > > -Paul
> >
> > Snob.
>
> Not how I read it.
>
> Kal
You guys crack me up.
Don't you know Paul is one of my best friends, and VALVE's technical
editor?
Paul lays this "put on some real music - classical" trip on me whenever he
comes over and I'm playing jazz or blues or early 60's electronic music, or
whatever, until I give in and switch to classical (I do have a few hundred
classical recordings myself, so it's not really all that painful).
Honestly Mahler is not one of my favorites, but hey, respec, mon. Some of
my dearest friends are Mahler lovers, going back to when I was a kid, but I
was always kind of a modern Russian nut myself, Stravinski, Prokofiev,
Rachmaninoff, etc. And I have a soft spot for Franck too (Cesar, although
Zappa's classical works smack of Stravinski, and I love that stuff too).
'Course those friends were always a little smarter than me, so that's
probably the reason my tastes are so romantic-Russo-pedestrian.
But really, how can you appreciate classical and opera, and not like blues?
Doc B., promising to play Mahler (if the vinyl setup is running) next time
Paul (or Kal or Carter) is over
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From: "alfred trower" <sedht@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:05:04 PST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n210
Hi gang,
Short list of Personal faves:
MJQ
Jerry Mulligan
Thelonious Monk
Chet Baker
Stan Kenton
Dave Brubeck
Paul Desmond
Miles Davis
Stan Getz
Perez Prado
Tito Puente
Al
Alfred Trower
Consultant, Client/Server Systems
Supply Chain Specialist
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those who cannot fly." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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From: David Bardes <David_Bardes@zd.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 07:59:44 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n211
Al
This is good stuff, how about some album titles to go along with these
artists?
If you were to recommend 10 albums to a newbie jazz-o-phile, what would
they be?
David
Al Wrote:
>Short list of Personal faves:
>MJQ
>Jerry Mulligan
>Thelonious Monk
>Chet Baker
>Stan Kenton
>Dave Brubeck
>Paul Desmond
>Miles Davis
>Stan Getz
>Perez Prado
>Tito Puente
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From: Roscoe Primrose <roscoe@aiko.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:38:26 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n211
David Bardes wrote:
> Al
>
> This is good stuff, how about some album titles to go along with these
> artists?
>
> If you were to recommend 10 albums to a newbie jazz-o-phile, what would
> they be?
>
> David
>
> Al Wrote:
>
> >Short list of Personal faves:
> >MJQ
> >Jerry Mulligan
> >Thelonious Monk
Monk's Music, Alone in San Francisco
> >Chet Baker
> >Stan Kenton
> >Dave Brubeck
Time Out (see note for Miles CDs below, this one is even HDCD encoded)
> >Paul Desmond
> >Miles Davis
Kind Of Blue, Sketches Of Spain (make sure you get the Columbia/Legacy '97
reissues, which should be the ones in the stores by default, which are much
better than the older Columbia issues)
> >Stan Getz
> >Perez Prado
> >Tito Puente
John Coltrane - First Meditations
Billie Holiday, Lady In Satin (samed notes as Miles...)
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Sonny Rollins - Saxaphone Collosus, Tenor Madness
And, if you're interested in someone younger,
Diana Krall - All For You
I'm not reccomending against any of the other artists above, but I havn't
heard enough to recommend a specific album....
Peace
- --
Roscoe Primrose -- mailto:roscoe@aiko.com -- http://www.aiko.com/roscoe
"Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right." Robert Hunter
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" , Bill Gates, 1981
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From: Daniel Normolle <monk@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:40:59 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
Mark Donen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I really like late hard bop/early freeish jazz of the Jackie McLean, Eric
> Dolphy, Roland Kirk type. Anyone have any faves they want to suggest?
>
You've already got quite a list there!
What comes to mind immediatel;y here are the mid-60's Impulse! releases
of Coltrane, Mingus and Archie Shepp.
The Mingus Impulse! albums (Mingus Mingus
Mingus Mingus Mingus and The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady) both
feature, among many others, Eric Dolphy and Booker Erwin, and are way
powerful. Watch out, you'll scare the kids! Any additional plus for this
group is that these two albums are in print on $12 vinyl, I believe in
gatefold covers.
You might also pick up the Booker Erwin albums on Prestige, like the
Freedom Book.
Any of the Coltrane albums on Impulse that do NOT feature Alice
Coltrane are unconditionally recommended. You may also like the
albums with Alice, but they are for, er, more refined ears than mine.
YOU be the judge. The recent complete live at the Village Vanguard
box is also a good set to have.
Archie Shepp goes pretty far out there, but the rhythm sections were
good, and I like that big, tough sound, kinda like an aggravated Ben
Webster. My fave is The Way Ahead (with Roswell Rudd !), but
you may also like New Thing at Newport (also Coltrane), Four for
Trane, Two For a Nickel, One for A Dime, Fire Music or The Magic
of Ju Ju. This stuff will scare the kids, the wife and the dog.
You might also check out the Ornette Coleman Atlantic/Rhino
collection. Coleman is not to everyone's taste, you either like
him or you don't. If you like jazz, you can't help liking the
bands on the collection (even if you can't stand Ornette), although
I lost interest when he started playing the violin and hired his
ten-year old son as the drummer (as an adult, Denardo's pretty
good, though).
I'm listing all this rather loud stuff because you referred to Jackie
McLean and Roland Kirk, the cooler stuff, like Andrew Hill, is
something else (actually, more to my taste).
IMHO, the best-known contemporary interpreters of this sort of music
hang out on the Black Saint label. Check out David Murray (Home,
Ming and The Hill) or Andrew Cyrille (Metamusicians' Stomp).
Watch out for the David Murray releases, he has chosen to record
EVERYTHING he does, and some of it is better focused than others.
I like the octets and the small groups with Cyrille and/or John Hicks.
Also, not on Black Saint, anything by Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods
Ensemble, and Dave Douglas' albums, Five and Stargazer are
pretty cool. Actually, I like just about anything with Dave Douglas on
it except his Tiny Bell Trio, which I find too cute. The Steve Lacy
recordings on Hat Art are more than worth a mention, I like Vespers and
We See; the sonics on all the Hat Art CDs are good, and some of them
are stunning.
Uri Caine's Toys is the best CD Herbie Hancock's made since Speak
Like a Child. The Paul Motian releases on JMT are good, as are the
Tim Berne albums, in fact I don't have a JMT CD I don't like, and
much of it might fall into the categories described, but maybe a little
on the side of too much thinking and not enough dancing. Whatever
that means...dpn
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From: Michel Paquette <paqm01@GEL.USherb.CA>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:13:21 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
I kinda like pianist Bill Evans work as head of a trio in the '50s:
"Everybody digs Bill Evans" is nice melancholic music,
"At the Village Vanguard" is a classic,
"Waltz for Debbie" is also terrific.
he's also the pianist on Miles "Kind of Blue"
Don't forget fellow Canuck (and Montrealer!) Oscar Peterson in the classic
"Night Train".
Michel
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:11:14 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
At 1:38 PM -0500 3/9/98, Roscoe Primrose wrote:
>Billie Holiday, Lady In Satin (samed notes as Miles...)
I'd also look at SOLITUDE on Verve, from the early 50's--she's in better
shape vocally, the back-up band is terrific and the tunes are closer to her
standard nightclub fare... "Love for Sale" with Peterson as her sole
backup is devastating.
>Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
I'm a big fan of BLUES AND ROOTS on Alantic. *Very* hard-swinging stuff.
One of the best Stan Getz albums I've heard is THE PEACOCKS on
Columbia/Sony with Jimmy Rowles.
A terrific Duke Ellington primer is THE GREAT PARIS CONCERT on Atlantic.
This is late Ellington fer sure and the 1963 recording is oddly miked, but
the band, most of whom were in their fifties and sixties (!), play like
teenagers and the audience was clearly a real tonic.
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From: "alfred trower" <sedht@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:15:00 PST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
OK, so put me on the spot here :-).
Here goes:
>>Short list of Personal faves:
>>MJQ
Modern Jazz Quartet
>>Gerry Mulligan
Two of a Mind (w/ Paul Desmond) - some of the best sax you'll ever hear
The Arranger
The Gerry Mulligan Sextet Reunion with Chet Baker
>>Thelonious Monk
The genius of modern music, vols 1 and 2 - Blue Note
Brilliant Corners
>>Chet Baker
Blood, Chet, and Tears
Anything else you can find by him
>>Stan Kenton
Milestones
The Sophisticated Approach
>>Dave Brubeck
All together again for the first time
Time Out
Red Hot and Cool Jazz
>>Miles Davis
Kind of Blue
Porgy and Bess
Some Day My Prince Will Come
In A Silent Way
>>Stan Getz
Stan Getz Plays Blues
Excellent Latin Jazz below:
>>Perez Prado
Prez
>>Tito Puente
Mucho Puente
Mucho Cha Cha
And since someone mentioned Billie,
Embracable You
Lady in Satin
And lets not forget Ella,
Mack the Knife, Live in Berlin
This should give you a taste of great jazz (IMHO) ;-).
Al
Alfred Trower
Consultant, Client/Server Systems
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From: Carter Hendricks <carterh@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:54:39 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
At 07:11 PM 3/9/98 -0600, Grover wrote:
>
>A terrific Duke Ellington primer is THE GREAT PARIS CONCERT on Atlantic.
>This is late Ellington fer sure and the 1963 recording is oddly miked, but
>the band, most of whom were in their fifties and sixties (!), play like
>teenagers
Somewhere it was written that when guys joined the Ellington band, time
stopped. They played like, well, teenagers. There's a couple CD's from
SAJA records recorded in California in 1958 that JC mentioned a while
ago. Volume II is on the Stanplayer right now... The notes say Volume
VI was recorded the next night... I hope these are still easy to find.
Both of these recordings are over the top, playing around.
More seriously:
The Ellington Band probably never sounded any better than the Fargo
North Dakota recordings from 1941 [?], including Ben Webster's Stardust
solo. There's some new hotshit CD but I just have a couple different LP
sets which I think sound just fine.
I've talked with Lynn's Dad about Jazz in St Louis Back Then and he said
yeah Ellington was around here but that his dates were -concerts- where most
of the other touring bands were playing dances. I think he liked to dance.
Ellington's solo and small group playing is another thing. {Ellington-->Monk}.
I really love my copies of The Duke Plays Ellington, Capitol what '54 or 5.
Ellington's piano playing is so deceptively simple, so surprising, with an
amazing sense of time. A master of time. [Is it my imagination or does my
10inch copy sound sweeter than the LP?] Easier to find is the
Ellington/Blanton
record with Ray Brown.
What do you think, Grover?
--Carter
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:46:08 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
At 9:54 PM -0600 3/9/98, Carter Hendricks wrote:
>At 07:11 PM 3/9/98 -0600, Grover wrote:
>>
>>A terrific Duke Ellington primer is THE GREAT PARIS CONCERT on Atlantic.
>>This is late Ellington fer sure and the 1963 recording is oddly miked, but
>>the band, most of whom were in their fifties and sixties (!), play like
>>teenagers
>
>Somewhere it was written that when guys joined the Ellington band, time
>stopped. They played like, well, teenagers. There's a couple CD's from
>SAJA records recorded in California in 1958 that JC mentioned a while
>ago. Volume II is on the Stanplayer right now... The notes say Volume
>VI was recorded the next night... I hope these are still easy to find.
>Both of these recordings are over the top, playing around.
Yes, I turned Tom R. onto these two volumes of the "Private Collection" on
Saja. Very loose playing but wonderful music. Also good is "Hot Summer
Dance" on Red Baron and "All-Star Road Band Volume II" on Signature, both
recorded in 1958 as well. *Please* don't get "All-Star Road Band Volume I"
from 1963 unless you want to hear how really drunk and sloppy they could
sound. Eeesh. Lastly, the two-CD issue of Ellington live at the Blue Note
on Roullette is awfully good.
>
>More seriously:
>
>The Ellington Band probably never sounded any better than the Fargo
>North Dakota recordings from 1941 [?], including Ben Webster's Stardust
>solo. There's some new hotshit CD but I just have a couple different LP
>sets which I think sound just fine.
Well, yes, the CD issue is also very good. Of course the *real* stuff :-)
is the classic 1940-42 "Blanton Band" on RCA, but our dear friends at that
company botched the CD issue so horribly it's hardly worth getting. I'm
waiting for someone to put these out comprehensively in good sound, and not
that dang Italian bootleg label either... Circle has issued 5 volumes of
transcriptions from 1943-45, and though hardly comprehensive in terms of
what else was recorded in that period, the sonics are incredible and you
can hear what a massive powerhouse that band was. There's also a lot of
cool stuff that wasn't recorded commercially (like the complete "Jazz Poll
Suite") so these are well worth having. Really stunning are the two CDs
covering the 1948 Cornell concerts on MusicMasters. The sound is a little
blast-y on top, but the engineers also pulled a lot of detail and
atmosphere off the old acetates and the orchestra is heard in its full
majesty and glory--"Symphomaniac", "Reminiscin' In Tempo", "Manhatten
Murals", "She Wouldn't Be Moved" and a knock-out version of "The Tatooed
Bride" among other treats.
Of course there are the various Carnegie Hall concerts 1943-47 on Prestige,
but while there are some good moments, I've never really enjoyed these
because the band sounds *so* ill-rehearsed and the sonics are poor.
>
>I've talked with Lynn's Dad about Jazz in St Louis Back Then and he said
>yeah Ellington was around here but that his dates were -concerts- where most
>of the other touring bands were playing dances. I think he liked to dance.
Yeah, that's not uncommon among "big band" lovers--Ellington was a little
off-the-wall for many.
>
>Ellington's solo and small group playing is another thing.
>{Ellington-->Monk}.
>I really love my copies of The Duke Plays Ellington, Capitol what '54 or 5.
>Ellington's piano playing is so deceptively simple, so surprising, with an
>amazing sense of time. A master of time. [Is it my imagination or does my
>10inch copy sound sweeter than the LP?] Easier to find is the
>Ellington/Blanton
>record with Ray Brown.
Well, the Capitol CD reissue titled "Reflections" (recorded in '53) is
pretty decent, and you're right, the playing is beautiful. I'm sure the
10-inch lp is a gem, if you can find it! Lucky you to have a copy :-)
Yes, the Ray Brown/Ellington "This One's For Blanton" on Pablo is a
classic, available on gold CD too and almost worth it since the recording
is sooo wonderful. Also good is the CBS "Piano in the Foreground" album
but I've only seen this on imports. I'm not a big fan of "Money Jungle"
(with Max Roach and---Mingus?) but it's considered a classic. The
Ellington/Strayhorn duets on Prestige are terrific.
>
>What do you think, Grover?
I think I've said enough about Ellington for the moment... :-)
Grover Gardner
groverg@bellatlantic.net
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From: Chris Galbraith <chrisg@ducker.com>
Subject: RE: Jazz Tips
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:06:14 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
Speaking of Latin...
Cal Tjader, "Mas Ritmo Caliente", or pretty much anything off the
Fantasy label.
Soul Sauce and some later Verve is pretty cool, too. He used to jam
w/Brubeck in the mid-fifties, I think--awesome and oh so groovy.
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From: David Bardes <David_Bardes@zd.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:49:01 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
Al,
This is a gold mine! Thanks for this list and to all the others who have
contributed! This beats the heck out of taking a stab in the dark at the
music store!
>OK, so put me on the spot here :-).
>Here goes:
<Snip>
>And lets not forget Ella,
>Mack the Knife, Live in Berlin
>This should give you a taste of great jazz (IMHO) ;-).
>Al
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From: Grego Sanguinetti <grego@latticesemi.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:59:13 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
Jazz is an amazingly broad and vague description.
Well, the original poster asked for suggestions for a specific
genre, hard bop/fee jazz. I see that the posts quickly wandered
far afield of that description B^) Although Stan Getz did
try to get on the bandwagon and recorded one album with the
New York allstar section (Dave Holland, Jack DeJohnette, Chick Corea)
but it wasn't memorable.
To bring it back to a more managable discourse....
I listened to an old album last night that I had forgotten
about.
Miroslav Vitous - "Infinate Search"
it was also released under a different name, I think Infinite Clounds
or something like that. It has "Freedom Jazz Dance" on it.
Another all time great is the Larry Coryell album "Spaces".
the story behind the recording is cool. Miles had heard John
McLaughlin over in England and asked him to come to the states
to do some recordings (In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew). John
stayed at Larry's house. While staying there they decided to
do a recording. It also features Mirosalv on bass, Billy Cobham
on drums (that is when he and John met) and Chick Corea on Piano.
A real monster of a recording session.
- -grego
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From: SSell71096@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:36:34 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
>>>If you were to recommend 10 albums to a newbie jazz-o-phile, what would
they be?
David
Al Wrote:
>Short list of Personal faves:
>MJQ
>Jerry Mulligan
>Thelonious Monk
>Chet Baker
>Stan Kenton
>Dave Brubeck
>Paul Desmond
>Miles Davis
>Stan Getz
>Perez Prado
>Tito Puente<<<<
Here's my $.02 for a couple of starters
Miles: 'Kind of Blue' and 'In a Silent Way'
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:24:44 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
And to add to the list the most happynessful record:
"Footprints" by Toots Thielmans.
BTW a 2 microphones direct recording.
Best regards
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From: Marc Stager <ssound@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:53:06 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
3/11/98:
>And to add to the list the most happynessful record:
>
>"Footprints" by Toots Thielmans.
>BTW a 2 microphones direct recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
also abounding in expoubidance is "Dressed up to get Messed Up"
by Roomful of Blues with a hilarious cover picture,
"Mudfoot", by The Leaders (great version of Sam Cooke's "Cupid"),
anything by Louis Armstrong, The Bonzo Dog band...
and (Should I suggest this? Sounds kinda dumb - what the hell,
I like them...)
dated, but still loads of fun, any of the old Tijuana Brass stuff.
The sound on those TJB albums is killer quality, BTW.
PS talkin 'bout vinyl or rust. Can't vouch for the freeze-dried
sound of seedies.
____________________________________________ MS
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:19:53 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
Anyone know the name of the band doing the Raymond Scott remakes? These
are excellent and along the lines of great jazz "remake" albums. Of
course, the original Scott recordings are cool, but according to the liner
notes from a recent Stash CD, his estate is no longer making available the
hundreds of airchecks he had professionally made (Scott was a recording
freak). This is inexplicable and dumb, but oh well. Anyway I recently
heard this remake album and thought it was terrific. I don't remember what
tunes are included--we've all heard "Powerhouse" a thousand times when they
show factories and assembly lines in the cartoons. But "Reckless Night On
Board An Ocean Liner" and "Confusion Among A Fleet Of Taxicabs Upon Meeting
With A Fare" are beautifully crafted jazz compositions.
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From: Daniel Normolle <monk@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:56:49 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
Tower Records is running a sale on Verve CDs until 3/22,
including many of the recordings by Oscar Peterson, Ella,
Benny Carter, Ben Webster and Coleman Hawkins that
have been mentioned in this thread, some of which are in
spiffy new 20-bit CD masters (whatever THAT means)
with extra tracks and natty cardboard sleeves with
overwrought graphics. This is good news to those of us
with and without CD players, because I have noticed that
good used vinyl appears at my local record store about
a month after one of these sales. I picked up most of Ella's
Songbook series this way, at $3.75 a disk. dpn
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From: Daniel Normolle <monk@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:03:32 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
Grover Gardner wrote:
> Anyone know the name of the band doing the Raymond Scott remakes?
Don Byron, _Bug Music_. There is also a collection of the original 78'sthat's a
stitch. Of tangential interest is the Carl Stalling project;
much of Carl Stalling's music for Looney Tunes was adapted from
Raymond Scott. dpn
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From: "David Ball" <dball@esper.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:16:43 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
Grover wrote:
>Anyone know the name of the band doing the Raymond Scott remakes? These
>are excellent and along the lines of great jazz "remake" albums. Of
>course, the original Scott recordings are cool, but according to the liner
<snip>
That's the Beau Hunks--great CD. They also did two CDs of "Little Rascals
Music" (music written by Leroy Shields) which are excellent.
Dave Ball
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:26:33 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
At 4:03 PM -0500 3/11/98, Daniel Normolle wrote:
>Grover Gardner wrote:
>
>> Anyone know the name of the band doing the Raymond Scott remakes?
>
>Don Byron, _Bug Music_.
That's the one I heard. Beau Hunks, too?
grover
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From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:15:17 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
Thanks to all the Joes that contributed to the Jazz Tips thread. I went
to Tower on Newbury St. and picked up some vinyl* Coltrane and Miles
Davis, and MJQ on CD. Jazz is a new thing for me - I've owned "Miles
in the Sky" for 20yrs and just recently started to listen to it and
_like_ it.
However, my ignorance is showing, since Steve Cornell just posted re
modern swing and I wonder if that is big band or not. The Basie/Sinatra
CD is fun (bright! brassy! CD! turn it down!) and I'd like to search
for some used vinyl along these lines. Steve mentioned any Pablo
pressings of Basie - what else?
Also, maybe someone more knowledgeable than me could indicate the
"genre" of each of these postings, and point to similar works and
derivatives/inspirations for the music. cheers & tia tr
* Last time I went to Tower and asked about vinyl all I got was a
puzzled look and a "we carried it, but we got rid of it" like that were
a good thing... Vinyl's only present in jazz and club singles
currently.
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Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:28:43 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
Hi, Tim,
Well, we could be opening a really big ol' can o' worms, here. There may
be more genres of jazz than there are of classical music! Ragtime,
Dixieland, traditional, swing, bop, be-bop, hard bop, cool, Latin, modern,
free, avant guarde, fusion, post-bop (the so-called New Lions), and
that's just off the top of my head. These genres in no indicate the size or
make of the group performing. All can be performed by anything from
soloist to big band, and anything in between. On top of that, many
performers cross boundaries. For instance, Coltrane is usually placed
either in bop or free, depending on the decade the recording is from. But
some of his ballad recordings are pretty close to swing tradition. Jazz
was such a rapidly evolving form during the period from 1940 to 1960
that many players who started in big bands playing swing at age 20
were playing be-bop, free, or avant guarde by age 40. Gillespie and
Parker both started in big band swing.
I think collecting jazz is a little different than collecting classical for a
beginner. Most of us start in classical by finding a composer or two
whose music we like, then we add other recordings of music my that
composer, growing and branching from there. We come fairly late to
having preferences for a particular performer. My favorite pianist is
Katchen, but I only discovered him by happenstance, from buying
recordings of his of pieces that I wanted by particular composers.
Jazz, on the other hand, is often more easily approached by performer.
We try some Basie, like it, then buy more. Basie's Pablo recordings
include set by his big band, nonets, sextets, and even trios. Most of his
Roulette recordings are big band, as were most of his earlier recordings
from the 40's and 30's.
The All Music Guide folks publish a book about Jazz recordings. It's the
best reference I've been able to find. It's listings are buy performer, and it
has some great charts about the evolution of the genre, and of key
performers by instrument.
Steve C.
"The earth is just to too small and
fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:04:27 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
Bart asked:
"...Any chance you could advise us of the details (exact title, price,
publisher, latest year and ISBN)?"
Pulled this up on the Amazon site. Title is The All-Music Guide to Jazz,
2nd Edition, Paperback, 900 pages, Published by Miller Freeman Books,
Publication date: July 1, 1996, ISBN: 0879304073. Amazon's price is
$19.96.
Steve C.
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From: Daniel Normolle <monk@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:57:29 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
> However, my ignorance is showing, since Steve Cornell just posted re
> modern swing and I wonder if that is big band or not. The Basie/Sinatra
> CD is fun (bright! brassy! CD! turn it down!) and I'd like to search
> for some used vinyl along these lines. Steve mentioned any Pablo
> pressings of Basie - what else?
Any Joe Pass on Pablo. Ellington's _This One's for Blanton_. AnyPablo with
Benny Carter. Anything with Benny Carter (_Further
Definitions_, whew!). Maybe it's not Sinatra...Ella's recordings on
Pablo, also Basie on Verve or Roulette. _The Atomic Mr. Basie_.
If you want to stretch your credit cards, Mosaic Records has new
vinyl multi-disc sets. Let me know if you can't locate Mosaic.
> Also, maybe someone more knowledgeable than me could indicate the
> "genre" of each of these postings, and point to similar works and
> derivatives/inspirations for the music. cheers & tia tr
>
> * Last time I went to Tower and asked about vinyl all I got was a
> puzzled look and a "we carried it, but we got rid of it" like that were
> a good thing... Vinyl's only present in jazz and club singles
> currently.
There's a guy named Jack Woker--he posts regularly onrec.music.bluenote--who
owns a used vinyl store in Cambridge
and is extraordinarily knowledgable. Tell him I sent you and
he'll be totally mystified. dpn
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From: Daniel Normolle <monk@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:08:04 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
Bart wrote:
> Steve Cornett said:
>
> > big snip
> >"The All Music Guide folks publish a book about Jazz recordings."
> >snip
>
> Sounds great.
Except, it sucks. The Penguin Guide, though not perfect, is far better,and is also more likely to
cover recordings that can be purchased in the
Commonwealth.
("Penguin Guide to Jazz Recordings, Third Edition")
dpn
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From: Carter Hendricks <carterh@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:04:36 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
At 10:28 AM 3/12/98 -0600, STEVE CORNETT wrote:
>The All Music Guide folks publish a book about Jazz recordings. It's the
>best reference I've been able to find. It's listings are by performer, and it
>has some great charts about the evolution of the genre, and of key
>performers by instrument.
'Though I've had arguements with it, I've gotten good use from Tom
Piazza's "The Guide to Classic Recorded Jazz."
--Carter
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From: Bart <bartonw@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: RE: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:56:42 +1100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
Steve Cornett said:
> big snip
>"The All Music Guide folks publish a book about Jazz recordings."
>snip
Sounds great.
Any chance you could advise us of the details (exact title, price, publisher, latest year and ISBN)?
Cheers,
Bart
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From: Joseph Lowe <jlowe@cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:35:25 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n216
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Daniel Normolle wrote:
> There's a guy named Jack Woker--he posts regularly onrec.music.bluenote--who
> owns a used vinyl store in Cambridge
Stereo Jack's most likely. GREAT store! They have an incredible
selection of vinyl. Most of the rock stuff he sells for $1-$3, and everything
is hand selected for quality, no scratched up junk to pick through.
> and is extraordinarily knowledgable.
Yup...
I no longer live in Boston, and I sure miss the used vinyl scene... There
must be at least 10 stores in Cambridge alone that sell used vinyl.
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From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:50:16 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n216
>> There's a guy named Jack Woker--he posts regularly onrec.music.bluenote--who
>> owns a used vinyl store in Cambridge
>
>Stereo Jack's most likely. GREAT store! They have an incredible
>selection of vinyl. Most of the rock stuff he sells for $1-$3, and everything
>is hand selected for quality, no scratched up junk to pick through.
>>
>> and is extraordinarily knowledgable.
>
>Yup...
>
>I no longer live in Boston, and I sure miss the used vinyl scene... There
>must be at least 10 stores in Cambridge alone that sell used vinyl.
Nah... mostly junk - nothing special. Avoid Mass Ave between Central
and Harvard Squares. ;-) tr
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Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
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From: Plaato <Plaato@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:46:57 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n217
In a message dated 3/13/98 11:08:43 AM, reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU wrote:
<<Nah... mostly junk - nothing special. Avoid Mass Ave between Central
and Harvard Squares. >>
Well, it depends on when and where you go . Some days ya just get lucky.
Right, Joe?
Henry
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From: SSell71096 <SSell71096@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Jazz Tips
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:40:31 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n217
>I no longer live in Boston, and I sure miss the used vinyl >scene... There
must be at least 10 stores in Cambridge alone >that sell used vinyl.
Could you please post a listing, perhaps with brief comments about the stores.
Guys how about ohters doing something similar for different towns that they
are familiar with. TIA
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From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz TIps (and Tower Records)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:28:33 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
BTW - I saw my first copy of MJ at Tower when I was there. Pretty
impressive, but gosh - $16.50! - and it's in Japanese! Fun to leaf
through tho. cheers tr
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Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
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From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz TIps (and Tower Records)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:51:02 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
Well, there was _one_ copy, so some joe might want to snap it up. All I
could read in it was the circuit diagrams... and the prices in yen. On
second thought, the drawings with construction detail were neat -
showed a couple of ways to neatly terminate coax shield with heat
shrink and a pigtail of wire. Much more concious of _detail_ than any
of the US publications - consequently many more pages. About the size
of a thin standard textbook. The color pictures of these incredibly
neat amps with well-thought-out layout were very impressive. However,
there was no circuit diagram that I just had to have, so I declined to
buy. ta tr
PS Thanks to Steve for the rap on Jazz. And belated kudos to Frank for
the noise shaping post with the Zolzer ref. The book's not in my local
library yet (MIT) so I'll have to check at Border's.
>At the Japanese boostores around mid-town NYC, copies of Stereo Sound go
>for around $35! $16.50 sound like a baragin to me!
>
>Mark
>
>----------
>> From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
>> To: sound@deliverator.io.com
>> Subject: Re: Jazz TIps (and Tower Records)
>> Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:28 AM
>>
>> BTW - I saw my first copy of MJ at Tower when I was there. Pretty
>> impressive, but gosh - $16.50! - and it's in Japanese! Fun to leaf
>> through tho. cheers tr
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
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From: Tim Reese <reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:18:41 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n217
>>I no longer live in Boston, and I sure miss the used vinyl >scene... There
>must be at least 10 stores in Cambridge alone >that sell used vinyl.
>
>Could you please post a listing, perhaps with brief comments about the stores.
>Guys how about ohters doing something similar for different towns that they
>are familiar with. TIA
I wrote a facetious reply to this question yesterday (please note the
smiley) - most of the stores that I visit are in Central or Harvard
Squares, and some in between on Mass Ave. I haven't been for a few
months, but some names are Cheapo Records (used to go here a lot when I
lived in Cambridge), Skippy White's, Stereo Jack's (mentioned
previously - haven't been), Mystery Train, In Your Ear (Mt. Auburn St,
another frequent stop when I was in Cambridge), Planet Records (in
Boston - Kenmore Square), Mystery Train (Newbury St. in Boston, more
upscale than the Cambridge store), and others I can't remember at the
moment. Seems like there always a few new stores, and stores
disappear... Come to Boston, pick a sunny day, take the red line to
Harvard or Central, and make a walking tour of used record stores.
cheers tr
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Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
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From: John Levreault <jlevro@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:46:52 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n217
At 07:18 AM 3/14/98 -0500, Tim Reese wrote:
>>
>
>I wrote a facetious reply to this question yesterday (please note the
>smiley) - most of the stores that I visit are in Central or Harvard
>Squares, and some in between on Mass Ave. I haven't been for a few
>months, but some names are Cheapo Records (used to go here a lot when I
>lived in Cambridge), Skippy White's, Stereo Jack's (mentioned
>previously - haven't been), Mystery Train, In Your Ear (Mt. Auburn St,
>another frequent stop when I was in Cambridge), Planet Records (in
>Boston - Kenmore Square), Mystery Train (Newbury St. in Boston, more
>upscale than the Cambridge store), and others I can't remember at the
>moment. Seems like there always a few new stores, and stores
>disappear... Come to Boston, pick a sunny day, take the red line to
>Harvard or Central, and make a walking tour of used record stores.
>cheers tr
>
Up north of the city, there's "Into the Music" on Rte. 1 in Rowley. Small,
but I always leave with several records. There's another record store in
downtown Salem, but I can't remember the name.
JL
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:01:21 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n211
Hi, all,
Hey, cats, anyone out there besides me getting in to the whole swing
revival thing? I'm talking about Royal Crown Review, Big Bad Voodoo,
Cherry Poppin' Daddies, etc. I've always been a big swing fan, lots of
Basie, Goodman, Grappelli, and others in my collection, and I just love a
lot of what these new guys are doing.
Steve C.
"The earth is just to too small and
fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
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From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:48:11 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n211
I like the Squirrel Nut Zippers. Does that count?
Rick Francis, rfranci@uoft03.utoledo.edu
On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, STEVE CORNETT wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> Hey, cats, anyone out there besides me getting in to the whole swing
> revival thing? I'm talking about Royal Crown Review, Big Bad Voodoo,
> Cherry Poppin' Daddies, etc. I've always been a big swing fan, lots of
> Basie, Goodman, Grappelli, and others in my collection, and I just love a
> lot of what these new guys are doing.
>
> Steve C.
> "The earth is just to too small and
> fragile a basket for the human race
> to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
>
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:39:04 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n211
Rick asked:
"...I like the Squirrel Nut Zippers. Does that count?"
You know, I haven't figured them out yet. I hear they have been grouped
with a lot of these bands, but all I've heard of them (not much) sounds
more like Ska than swing. Cherry Poppin' Daddies started as a Ska band,
too, and have kind of migrated towards swing, though, so it can be done.
A lot of jump blues bands kind of fall into the swing category as well,
such as Bellevue Cadillac and the stuff that what's his name, the guy
who used to be in the Stray Cats, is doing.
Steve C.
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From: Grego Sanguinetti <grego@latticesemi.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:44:58 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, STEVE CORNETT wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> Hey, cats, anyone out there besides me getting in to the whole swing
> revival thing? I'm talking about Royal Crown Review, Big Bad Voodoo,
> Cherry Poppin' Daddies, etc. I've always been a big swing fan, lots of
> Basie, Goodman, Grappelli, and others in my collection, and I just love a
> lot of what these new guys are doing.
Hey yeah, The Daddies are a local (somewhat) band and are great. I haven't
heard BBVoodoo before but I love the name, I'll go search them out! thanks
Fez Fatale, the new band I am playing with, does a bunch of swing stuff.
It has four female vocalists and one male, mainly comedy stuff. Actually
we use whatever music fits the lyrics so sometimes it's swing, sometimes
it's country, punk, rock ballads, we have no shame... B^)
oh yes, the instruments (guitar and bass) are powered by triodes, lots
of them.
- -grego
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:51:32 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
Grego posted:
"...Fez Fatale, the new band I am playing with..."
Cool name. Reminds me of 3 Mustaphas 3. Ever heard their records?
Now there's something completely different :-)
Steve C.
"The earth is just to too small and
fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
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From: SSell71096@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:40:47 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
>>>Hey, cats, anyone out there besides me getting in to the whole swing
revival thing? I'm talking about Royal Crown Review, Big Bad Voodoo, Cherry
Poppin' Daddies, etc. I've always been a big swing fan, lots of Basie,
Goodman, Grappelli, and others in my collection, and I just love a lot of
what these new guys are doing. <<<
How about some recommendations and titles?
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From: SSell71096@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:02:19 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
>>>A lot of jump blues bands kind of fall into the swing category as well,
such as Bellevue Cadillac and the stuff that what's his name, the guy who
used to be in the Stray Cats, is doing. <<<
I think you're referring to Brian Setzer. He's done some rather different
material over time. I know someone who went to high school with him.
Apparently in those days he was into King Crimson and looked and played like
Robert Fripp. Then later on the Rockabilly of the Stray Cats, and his
subsequent work with the Honeydrippers. What exactly is it that he's doing
now?
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:56:03 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
How about some recommendations and titles?
Well, let's see. The latest from Royal Crown Review is called Mugsy's
Move. CD only as far as I can tell. GREAT stuff, pretty good sound. Big
Bad Voodoo Daddy's latest is self titled, I think. CD mastered by Doug
Sax, but fairly typical CD sound, IMHO. Kind of bright and glassy, but
good music.
As far as the classics are concerned, the question is where to begin. If
you can only have one Grappelli record it would probably have to be the
Live record with Dave Grisman and his band. It really swings. Lots of the
Basie records on Pablo are easy to find and usually about $5 or less.
Buy anything, you'll like it.
Steve C.
"The earth is just to too small and
fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:00:28 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n214
"...I think you're referring to Brian Setzer... What exactly is it that he's
doing now?"
He has two recordings out with the "Brian Setzer Orchestra" of big band
swing/jump music. Both are available on vinyl. The most recent is called
Casino I think, picked it up a few weeks ago but haven't listened to it yet.
I'm at work so I can't check the name of the first record. He also did a
filmed performance a while back, I think they showed it on MTV or VH1.
On top of that, he's been touring with this group. They played the Vogue
here in Indy, a local venue for live music.
Steve C.
"The earth is just to too small and
fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all its eggs in." - Heinlein
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From: SSell71096 <SSell71096@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz Tips - Swing revival
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:59:15 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n215
>>He has two recordings out with the "Brian Setzer Orchestra" of big band
swing/jump music. Both are available on vinyl. The most recent is called
Casino I think, picked it up a few weeks ago but haven't listened to it
yet.<<<
Howz about a report on it when you've done some listening.
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From: "Ken Dangerfield" <bpyakd@mail.island.net>
Subject: JBL123A [wasRe: JBL alnico]
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:25:24 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n157
Mark and Dan:
T/S parameters (English units) for the JBL123A follow (obtained
directly from JBL):
fs 25
Qts 0.49
Qms 8.5
Vas 8.3
Eff 0.68
Pe 50
Xmax 0.31
VD 23
Re 4.4
Le 0.60
SD 75.4
Dia 9.8
Bl 8.9
Mms 85
flux 1.00
Regards,
Ken Dangerfield
> If you can obtain or measure the TS
> parameters, perhaps you can find an alignment for a bit larger enclosure
> if you would like a bit more bass. I can give you dimensions, including
> the tuning tube dimensions, if you do not have the L100 enclosures and
> wish to replicate them.
>
> Dan Marshall
>
>
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From: goyo <goyo@scils.rutgers.edu>
Subject: JBL 2215B
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:37:54 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n180
I have a pair of JBL 2215B for sale. I'm asking $300 for the pair. It is a
15 inch woofer designed for horn speakers. Sensitivity is 96.55 db, 1
W/meter @ 8 Ohms.
regards
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: JBL 2308 lens
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:34:16 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n265
Looking for a pair of 2408 slant-plate lenses for LE 85 compression
drivers.
Anyone have any?
TIA
Mark
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From: Raul Gil <silver2@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: JBL2402
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:00:33 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n375
Looking for a pair of JBL 2402 tweeters
Raul Gil
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: JBL 2405s
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:40:33 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n296
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: JBL2405 (was: 515Bs)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:20:01 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n183
At 15:38 04/02/1998 -0800, Daniel J. Marshall wrote:
>I also got a pair of JBL 2405 slot super tweeters from him (104 W/m
>sens). They go from 7 kHz on up to whatever and look like a good thing,
>though I have not played with them yet. I had never used these before,
>but they sounded like such a good thang I couldn't resist, especially
>after taking a look at the JBL literature. Anyone used them?
Hello,
I own a pair of 2405 and another one of 2402. (Used them in the last 10
years but don't use them anymore since last Christmas because SantaClaus
brought me a very nice pair of Onken OS5000 tweeters....)
The 2405 is an excellent tweeter. Don't cut it lower than 7k. If you cut it
between 7k and 10k, please use a 18 dB/octave (minimum 12dB/octave) slope
for the crossover because the resonnance of the tweeter beneath 6.5k could
be heard.
Michel Paquette did a lot of measurement on the 2405 and he put the curves
on his webpages.
Also in the excellent german book "PA-Lautsprecher" the TEF measurement of
the 2405 are excellent.
Within the 10 (or more) tested tweeter it comes within the 3 first.
Many people use them rotated at 45° around a vertical axis, firing few feet
in front of the listener. I think this is because Jean Hiraga uses such a
position in most of his demos.
Try a lot of positions for the tweeter at home, preferred the normal
position (parallel axis as the bass loudspeaker). Probably the optimal
position depends a lot of your listening room...
Time alignment with the other ways is important too.
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: Re: JBL2405 (was: 515Bs)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:30:37 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n184
At 07:56 05/02/1998 -0800, Dan Marshall wrote:
>Thank you very much for your comments. I am not too sure how much I
>would benefit from them, considering that my heariong only extends to
>about 11 kHz anymore, or so anymore and the EMilars seem to do just fine
>up to that frequency. I have a 32 year old son into music composition
>with synth. and Cakewalk computer music program. He still hears to
>above 20 kHz, so I suspect he would appreciate them more than I. Thanks
>again.
Hello,
I guess you are right and ...you are wrong.
You are right when you say that you don't need tweeters because you cannot
hear high frequency test signals. My own ears cannot hear above 13 kHz on
pure frequencies and with age that fact will not evolve in a better direction.
If I have only to listen to pure tones or other simplistic acoustical
messages, probably I'll only let my TAD2001 free to go in the upper
frequencies (it can go to 13kHz min.)
But, IMHO, that's not the best way to analyse the need or not for a tweeter.
If I cannot ear above 13kHz, why I am so sensitive to harshness on cymbals,
to upper resonnance of OPT, to harmonics above 20kHz and to the differences
between tweeters?
I am not a psychoacoustician but I read a lot about listening perception and
what seems to be the best explanation for me is our sensitivness to the
respect of the envelop of waves that our ear/brain can identify.
If you perform an inverse Fourier transform after having removed the upper
frequencies in the spectrum, you obtain a signal with a distorted envelop
with bumps and pits (look at low pass filtered square waves).
That's the same thing with music, remove the upper harmonics and the
remaining signal is less smooth (smooth is not probably the accurate word
but I guess you know what I mean...).
I went in the late 70's at a conference in IRCAM (an institute here in Paris
on acoustics and modern music) and they did an experience changing the phase
relation between pure tones mixed together in pulses. The intensity of each
pure tone didn't change, only their relative phase and by consequence the
overall envelop of the sound. It was for me a very informative demo about
our sensitivness to the envelop of the sounds.
If we admit that the perception of a sound as natural has something related
to its envelopp so we need that our system:source + preamp + amplifier +
loudspeaker + room, respects both phases and amplitude of the frequency
components of the musical message and that's a reson why IMHO we need high
quality tweeters.
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: irishtom@webtv.net (tom brennan)
Subject: JBL 2441s
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:03:52 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n322
Hartmut-- I can't help you make a comparison but the 2441s are pretty
good. I used to work a a bouncer for the big rock show promoter in
Chicago. One night, before a Charlie Daniels show, I was relaxing
listening to the music being played over the band's PA. I was sitting
next to the stage by a 2441 on a big lens horn, that sitting on a 4560
bass bin, and I thought " Man, sound doesn't get much better than this".
So my impression is that the 2441 is real nice.
Tommy Brennan
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From: alfia mak <alfiamak@hkstar.com>
Subject: JBL4333
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:59:15 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n286
Will someone share his experience on the JBL4333 ?
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From: Hartmut <Hartmut.Quaschik@mch.sni.de>
Subject: Re: JBL4333
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:39:06 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n288
> Will someone share his experience on the JBL4333 ?
Together with a friend we bought a pr. with rotten
surrounds and rotten cabinet 3 yrs. ago for 400,-DM the pair,
we repaired the surrounds with EV-surrounds, (they fit
and can be ordered serparately), overhauled the cabinet
and then sold them with a bit of profit.
We did some experiments with the mass control ring
of the woofer: without that ring, the woofer was louder
and quicker, but less controlled, maybe a bit coloured,
with that ring cut in half (yes we gave the rings to
someone who could do it very precisely) it was the
best JBL woofer I ever heard.
We compared the mids with Altec mids and were not quite
satisfied.
Also we compared the slot tweeter with a modified
JBL ring type tweeter and found the ring type tweeter
better.
On absolute terms, the sound was vivid and crisp,
a bit colored, a bit hissed in the treble, but overall
very good for pop music, it is a loudspeaker which can
really party. One could feel that the 15 inch woofer
could really breathe in that big cabinet, which is not
the case with the JBL4430, which had a much better
mid and treble section otoh.
Hartmut from Munich
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: JBL4550 enclosure with 2 x 2220
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:50:24 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n167
Hello,
I gave a look in my archives and found a frequency curve for the bass-reflex
+ horn JBL4550 enclosure using 2 JBL 2220 loudspeakers.
The horn seems to have is efficiency between 150 and 500Hz. Beneath 120
there is a step at -5dB. The enclosure cuts at 50Hz.
In fact this is a modified JBL4550, with reduced ports and with a thick felt
vertical curtain inside. Seems that this modified 4550 sound good, according
to Jean-Hiraga (L'Audiophile N°38, spring 1986): "for the 4550 like for the
VOT, the sound possess a high degree of definition in the range 120Hz-500Hz
due to the horn. This make one to forget about the little lack of definition
or small effects of "trainage" beneath 100Hz..."
I have the curve scanned, also I have a picture scanned of that enclosure.
If someone want them I can send them in attachment...
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: Stewart Ferrell <sferrell@pfmc.net>
Subject: JBL?
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:52:13 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n102
hello,
Is anyone familiar with the JBL 375 compression driver and metal horn?
Stewart
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From: Thomas Dunker <dunker@invalid.ed.unit.no>
Subject: Re: JBL?
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:00:51 +0100 (MET)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n104
On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Stewart Ferrell wrote:
>
>
> hello,
>
> Is anyone familiar with the JBL 375 compression driver and metal horn?
The 375 is a 4" diaphragm (aluminum), 2" exit driver (looks like a
2440, but is black (probably)). It has a gap flux density of
21,500 gauss, and so it's probably the beefiest 2" alnico driver
JBL ever made. A friend of mine has two pairs of these, which had been
used in movie theaters in Oslo. One pair had a horn/lens attached,
mounted in a baffle when he picked them up.
When I last visited him (Torbjoern Lien), he had the 375s with the
lenses (can't remember the designation) running in his system in a
pretty hasty makeshift setup, along with 2404 tweeters and the
36x8" dipole bass panels. The crossover slopes should have been
steeper and it all sounded a bit weird, but the 375s sounded very
lively and dynamic.
He is currently working on Iwata horns with 2" throats, which were
designed for drivers like JBL 375 and 2440. I plan to use the same
horns with my 2441 drivers. He will also be casting half size Iwata
horns with 1" throats, with which he'll use JBL LE85s. (Also 21,500
gauss).
Tom D.
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From: "Mark Donen" <soledadd@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: JBL alnico
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:45:34 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n157
Hi all,
I have some alnico drivers from a pretty nasty JBL L-100 system. The 12"
woofers are D123A-1s and the mid is an LE5-2. Has anyone gotten decent
results from these or had any experince with them? The woofer is about
92db/watt, while the midrange is more like 96.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: JBL alnico
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:16:41 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n157
Mark Donen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have some alnico drivers from a pretty nasty JBL L-100 system. The 12"
> woofers are D123A-1s and the mid is an LE5-2. Has anyone gotten decent
> results from these or had any experince with them? The woofer is about
> 92db/watt, while the midrange is more like 96.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
Mark,
I have a pair of L-100s and they are a pretty decent speaker, it seems.
I picked mine up at the flea market for very little, but I have seen
them advertised on the net in the $375 to $450/pr range. The L100 is
the commercial version of JBL's 4311 studio monitor, if I remember
correctly. The L100 woofer has a white cone with fabric edge, at least
mine do. I find that they probuce a very good bass response in a
relatively small enclosure. Not gobs of bass, but very clean, solid,
extended and satisfying. They sound better overall than the L99s which
use the LE-14 speaker. In comparison with the 12" Tannoy Golds in
larger (4 cu ft) enclosures, the L100s have a bit less bass, but much
cleaner, solid and more extended. When comparing them with other
quality speakers, the only characteristic I noticed worth mentioning was
what I could perhaps best describe as sort of "pinched in" quality in
the mid-range. I suspect that this characteristic is related to the
crossover implementation and placement of the mdrange on the baffle and
who knows what else. If you are building enclosures, you might want to
think along the lines of a smaller enclosure housing the mid and
tweeter, mounted, time aligned, on top of the woofer enclosure. In
my book, time alignment is best determined experimentally with the
crossover connected. I could pontificate further on this if you are
interested. Properly implemented, I don't think you will feel the need
for a sub, unless you are a real bass hog, like me, or have a very large
listening area. I have a large listening area and I found that I could
lean on the L100s pretty hard w/o overload and I was driving them with a
205 w/chnl FET power amp. Also, they sound best when raised to where
the tweeter/midrange is at seated ear level and out from the wall a bit
(which costs you a bit of bass). So, all in all, I would give a
definite thumbs-up on these speakers and would encourage you to forge
ahead. They are worthy of a high quality tweeter and a properly
implemented crossover network using high quality components. I suspect
that if you are adept at this sort of thing that you can surpass the
performance of the L100s and end up with a very satisfying system you
could live with for some time. If you can obtain or measure the TS
parameters, perhaps you can find an alignment for a bit larger enclosure
if you would like a bit more bass. I can give you dimensions, including
the tuning tube dimensions, if you do not have the L100 enclosures and
wish to replicate them.
Dan Marshall
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From: Paul Joppa <pdj@ISDNseattle.net>
Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:59:38 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n488
One other point - these puppies do (as mentioned) have a distinctive
and fairly colored midrange, but geez guys - what do you expect from a
15 inch speaker?! JBL used to offer the bullet tweeter crossed over at
2500 Hz; I've tried this and it goes from terrible to merely poor.
(btw, the crossover was electrically closer to 1600 Hz...) Rich guys
used the potato-masher LE175DLH at 1200 Hz, which I haven't tried yet
- - might get it up to "below average"!
But ... Jim Lansing was a nut about efficiency. These will run an
honest 101dB or so from a watt at a meter. Since the response rises
with frequency (at least on-axis), they are even louder in that
(colored) midrange. You can drive them with your walkman; a 1-watt
spud is perfectly satisfactory. In the right bass-reflex cabinet, with
a zero-feedback triode amp with significant output impedance to
increase the effective Q, you should be able to get acceptable bass,
- -3dB at 50Hz or so. There's no other way to get a non-horn woofer that
efficient without using a horn or an array.
- -Paul Joppa
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From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:40:41 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n489
Paul Joppa wrote:
>
> One other point - these puppies do (as mentioned) have a distinctive
> and fairly colored midrange, but geez guys - what do you expect from a
> 15 inch speaker?!
Hi Paul, Well, as I mentioned in the previous post, the Altec 421As I
had up until recently didn't suffer from poor midrange, and they had
generic replacemnt cones; they run upward of 100 dB efficiency. The
treble/mid response seemed quite good up to maybe 2,500 Hz, or so. The
mids were not delicate by any means, as one can get from a smaller
speaker with a light cone, but was considerably better than the D130.
> JBL used to offer the bullet tweeter crossed over at
> 2500 Hz; I've tried this and it goes from terrible to merely poor.
I have always found them to be very harsh sounding. I don't recall ever
hearing them in a system I really liked. Perhaps they could be tweaked
in by using a tube amp and oil caps, or whatever, but why try to solve
one problem by compromising elsewhere.
> (btw, the crossover was electrically closer to 1600 Hz...) Rich guys
> used the potato-masher LE175DLH at 1200 Hz, which I haven't tried yet
> - might get it up to "below average"!
I have heard these, in fact, these are the exact tweeters I purchased
and installed in the JBL Harkness rear-loaded horns (with D130s) which I
referred to previously. I would not say that they are the best but they
sound quite good, they made a world of difference in the Harkness
systems.
Also, shortly thereafter (1968), when I bought my first Tannoys (10 inch
Golds) the sales chap was AB comparing them to JBL systems that used the
Potato masher (LE175DLH driver and 2305 horn, as I recall) and the LE14
speaker. These were in the little floor model enclosure with the marble
top, I forget the model number, L something or other, I think. While
the JBL system sounded good, it didn't have a chance against the little
10 inch Tannoys. They sounded much better overall, less hard and
metallic sounding, smoother, a bit crisper highs and yes even better
bass. I replaced them fairly soon with the 12" Golds which were even
better.
>
> But ... Jim Lansing was a nut about efficiency. These will run an
> honest 101dB or so from a watt at a meter. Since the response rises
> with frequency (at least on-axis), they are even louder in that
> (colored) midrange. You can drive them with your walkman; a 1-watt
> spud is perfectly satisfactory. In the right bass-reflex cabinet, with
> a zero-feedback triode amp with significant output impedance to
> increase the effective Q, you should be able to get acceptable bass,
> -3dB at 50Hz or so. There's no other way to get a non-horn woofer that
> efficient without using a horn or an array.
Perhaps even to 40 Hz (fs for the D130) in an optimized enclosure. The
small excursion capability would be less of a problem in a duct loaded
reflex tuned to fs.
Back before the Tannoy days, I heard a pair of D130s in large, maybe 9
cu ft reflex enclosures, give or take a bit. They were driven by 25
watt PP tube amplifiers and were in a large, finished, basement
listening room. They seemed to put out quite a lot of bass, more than
one would give them credit for, knowing their electrical parameters, and
it was quite clean and tight, quite respectable sounding bass, in fact.
I suspect that he had the bass boosted electrically. My more recent
experience with them has been in smaller enclosures driven by SS amps,
which were not as positive. All in all, I would say that there are much
better alternatives available today. The D123, which was available
then, is a much better sounding speaker, if you are hung up on the JBL
mystique.
Dan Marshall
>
> -Paul Joppa
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From: irishtom@webtv.net (tom brennan)
Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:56:26 -0600 (CST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n489
I've used a couple of versions of the ring radiator tweeter and never
been too happy with it, they are gorgeous devices though. I wonder if
the D-130 works driving a W-bin folded horn, anyone know about that?
Tom Brennan
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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Lien?=" <mdrivekl@online.no>
Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:10:59 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n489
- ----------
> From: Paul Joppa <pdj@ISDNseattle.net>
> To: sound@deliverator.io.com
> Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
> Date: 13. november 1998 07:59
>
> One other point - these puppies do (as mentioned) have a distinctive
> and fairly colored midrange, but geez guys - what do you expect from
a
> 15 inch speaker?! JBL used to offer the bullet tweeter crossed over
at
> 2500 Hz; I've tried this and it goes from terrible to merely poor.
> (btw, the crossover was electrically closer to 1600 Hz...) Rich guys
> used the potato-masher LE175DLH at 1200 Hz, which I haven't tried yet
> - might get it up to "below average"!
>
> But ... Jim Lansing was a nut about efficiency. These will run an
> honest 101dB or so from a watt at a meter. Since the response rises
> with frequency (at least on-axis), they are even louder in that
> (colored) midrange. You can drive them with your walkman; a 1-watt
> spud is perfectly satisfactory. In the right bass-reflex cabinet,
with
> a zero-feedback triode amp with significant output impedance to
> increase the effective Q, you should be able to get acceptable bass,
> -3dB at 50Hz or so. There's no other way to get a non-horn woofer
that
> efficient without using a horn or an array.
>
> -Paul Joppa
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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Lien?=" <mdrivekl@online.no>
Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:17:25 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n489
Ooops!!
,-sorry 'bout that,-.But I was simply wondering
about this "potato mashing",-.. qualyties...??
Regards, T
- ----------
> From: Paul Joppa <pdj@ISDNseattle.net>
> To: sound@deliverator.io.com
> Subject: Re: JBL D130, was Speaker re-cone material source?
> Date: 13. november 1998 07:59
>
> One other point - these puppies do (as mentioned) have a distinctive
> and fairly colored midrange, but geez guys - what do you expect from
a
> 15 inch speaker?! JBL used to offer the bullet tweeter crossed over
at
> 2500 Hz; I've tried this and it goes from terrible to merely poor.
> (btw, the crossover was electrically closer to 1600 Hz...) Rich guys
> used the potato-masher LE175DLH at 1200 Hz, which I haven't tried yet
> - might get it up to "below average"!
>
> But ... Jim Lansing was a nut about efficiency. These will run an
> honest 101dB or so from a watt at a meter. Since the response rises
> with frequency (at least on-axis), they are even louder in that
> (colored) midrange. You can drive them with your walkman; a 1-watt
> spud is perfectly satisfactory. In the right bass-reflex cabinet,
with
> a zero-feedback triode amp with significant output impedance to
> increase the effective Q, you should be able to get acceptable bass,
> -3dB at 50Hz or so. There's no other way to get a non-horn woofer
that
> efficient without using a horn or an array.
>
> -Paul Joppa
=========================================================================
From: William Eckle <wmeckle@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: JBL D208 info?
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:12:00 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n285
At 08:42 AM 5/20/98 -0400, ldmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com wrote:
>Does anybody have any specs or info on the JBL D208? Looks like an 8"
>full range driver.
JBL D208
Fs 60 Hz.
Qts .31
Qms 3.5
Qes .34
Vas 1.2 cu. ft.
Eff. 2.1 %
Par 25 Watts
Xmax .10 in.
Vd 3 cu. in.
Re 6.0 Ohms
Le 0.3 mH
Sd 33.2 sq. in.
Dia 6.5 in.
Bl 6.8 N/A
Mms 11 grams
Flux 0.85 Tesla.
<bold><underline>-=<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Bill
Eckle</color>=-
</underline></bold>wmeckle@primenet.com
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param> Phoenix, Arizona
USA</color></italic>
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From: ldmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com
Subject: JBL D208 info?
Date: 20 May 98 08:42:00 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n285
Does anybody have any specs or info on the JBL D208? Looks like an 8"
full range driver.
TIA,
ldmoore@lucent.com
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From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: JBL D208 info?
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:02:42 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n286
Hi All,
I have a pair of D208 frames. Anyone have a spare set of JBL recone
kits they would part with, or maybe a strong hankering for a pair of
D208 frames?
Dan Marshall
ldmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any specs or info on the JBL D208? Looks like an 8"
> full range driver.
>
> TIA,
> ldmoore@lucent.com
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From: "dehls" <dehls@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: JBL D208 info?
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:46:58 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n288
The D208 is a high efficiency 8", but is not really a full
range driver. No real bass and the highs die off somewhere
in the 8khz range. They sold for about 1/2 of an LE8T,
which works quite nicely as a full range driver, IMHO.
David
- ----------
> From: ldmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com
> To: 'sound@mail.tpoint.net' <sound@deliverator.io.com>
> Subject: JBL D208 info?
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 5:42 AM
>
> Does anybody have any specs or info on the JBL D208? Looks like an
8"
> full range driver.
>
> TIA,
> ldmoore@lucent.com
>
=========================================================================
From: "David B. Klein" <dklein@microtec.net>
Subject: Re: JBL - Disclaimer
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:22:24
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n515
I apologize if I have offended anyone with my 'P.A. equipment' crack. I
have heard JBL and other horn-loaded systems that were, at their best,
thrilling. I think it really boils down to near- vs. far-field monitoring,
and the size of listening rooms one uses, and perhaps also one's choice of
listening material. I was addressing my remarks to a certain individual who
was attacking the kind of hi-fi I practice, but I should not have responded
in kind, publicly.
dbk
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From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
Subject: JBL DL123
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:22:21 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n312
Anyone know anything about this speaker? Is it one of the JBL horns?
I know a guy who dug some stuff out of his parent's attic... a pair of the
JBLs, a Scott 22C, and a Garrard MkII turntable, all new in box (belonged
to a great-uncle who died before he could put it together). Somehow, i
think he lucked into a gem...
- -dave
Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
<dstagner@icarus.net>
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From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: Re: JBL DL123
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:25:41 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n312
- ----------
> De : Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
> A : Joenet <sound@deliverator.io.com>
> Objet : JBL DL123
> Date : mardi 16 juin 1998 17:22
>
> Anyone know anything about this speaker? Is it one of the JBL horns?
Dave,
I once did some simulation of bass reflex Jensen-Onken style using the bass
loudspeaker JBL DL123.
For what I know the T/S parameters are:
fs = 45 Hz, VAS = 4.8 cu. ft. and Qts = 0.45
Seems that very good results could be obtained in a 5 cubic feet box.
cut-off at -3dB will be 41 Hz.
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
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From: ecoleman@whidbey.net (Ed Coleman)
Subject: JBL dome tweeter
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:08:08 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n059
Hi Folks, I mentioned this last week(?) w/o any success, does anyone have a
single (or pair) of JBL le25-4 tweeters for sale? does anyone know of a JBL
parts dealer that is reputable? Thanks in advance,Ed
Ed Coleman,M.ED.University of Washington.Transition Coordinator,Oak Harbor
School District,Oak Harbor Wa.USA.
Supporter of Habitat of Humanity and ZPG.Orbiting in the universe of Marci
O.T.R.,shining in the light of the dual sons Evan and Brendan Ameluxen
Coleman
Slugs crawling up the window,winter in the northwest!
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From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: JBL drivers/1 only
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:56:47 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n319
Hi All,
I have a one-only JBL 2118H in quite excellent condition. I would be
interested pairing it up with a mate one way or the other,
buy/sell/trade, whatever.
Dan Marshall
=========================================================================
From: "Ken Dangerfield" <bpyakd@mail.island.net>
Subject: Re: JBL drivers
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:36:48 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n318
On 22 Jun 98 Patrick Lamontagne said:
> I am still looking for some candidates for a horn enclosure.
> I remember some years ago I had information on a JBL 5"
> driver.
You may be thinking of the LE-5 which was recommended by Bruce Edgar
in his SB article on the midrange tractrix horn.
<snip>
>I looked on the JBLweb site, but
> I didn't found any information on this.
Apparently the LE-5 is no longer available separately but it was the
mid driver used in the JBL 44XX line of studio monitors (that's how I
got mine).
> Also, if someone has the thiele-small parameters, it would be great.
Contact the Canadian distributor for JBL below. They happily sent me
a couple of sheets with the T/S parameters for most of the JBL
drivers.
Soundcraft Canada (Attention: Ron Lauzier - Service Manager)
Tel: (514) 595 3966
Fax: (514) 595 3970
email: ron@soundcraft-canada.com
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ken Dangerfield
=========================================================================
From: Patrick Lamontagne <lamontp@CERCA.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: JBL drivers
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:49:22 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n318
I am still looking for some candidates for a horn enclosure.
I remember some years ago I had information on a JBL 5"
driver. I remember the data sheet said it was to be used
for vocal sound reinforcement, and the air resonnance
frequency was 200 Hz. I remember also that it was written
that this driver could produce greater acoustic output
than many 12" drivers. I look