Sound Practices Mailing List Files - Volume 1
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From: Ed Faulkner <efaulkne@wsunix.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: WAF
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:56:19 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n246
I am just hoping my wife does not hit the roof when I bring home the Sony
reel to reel someone just gave me. Thought I would setup for my 9yr old son
to record his piano playing :-)
At 11:06 AM 4/7/98 -0500, Dave Stagner wrote:
>Humor for the married...
>
>The other day, our four-year-old daughter proudly announced that when we
>have another baby, she'll be a big sister! My wife tried to explain that
>we won't have another baby unless Mommy and Daddy decide we will. So I
>said, "Since when do I get a say in anything around here?" My wife
>responded, "Well, I let you do whatever you want to the stereo, don't I?"
>
>-dave
>
>Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
><dstagner@icarus.net>
>
>
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From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
Subject: WAF
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:46 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n246
Humor for the married...
The other day, our four-year-old daughter proudly announced that when we
have another baby, she'll be a big sister! My wife tried to explain that
we won't have another baby unless Mommy and Daddy decide we will. So I
said, "Since when do I get a say in anything around here?" My wife
responded, "Well, I let you do whatever you want to the stereo, don't I?"
- -dave
Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
<dstagner@icarus.net>
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From: Roscoe Primrose <roscoe@aiko.com>
Subject: Re: WAF
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:21:49 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n247
Dave Stagner wrote:
> Humor for the married...
>
> The other day, our four-year-old daughter proudly announced that when we
> have another baby, she'll be a big sister! My wife tried to explain that
> we won't have another baby unless Mommy and Daddy decide we will. So I
> said, "Since when do I get a say in anything around here?" My wife
> responded, "Well, I let you do whatever you want to the stereo, don't I?"
I dunno, but that sounds like carte blanche to DO whatever you want to the
stereo!
Visualize whirrled peas....
- --
Roscoe Primrose -- mailto:roscoe@aiko.com -- http://www.aiko.com/roscoe
"Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right." Robert Hunter
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" , Bill Gates, 1981
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From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: WAF
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:40:37 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n247
On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ed Faulkner wrote:
> I am just hoping my wife does not hit the roof when I bring home the Sony
> reel to reel someone just gave me. Thought I would setup for my 9yr old son
> to record his piano playing :-)
>
Last weekend I spent hours
putting together shelves, and then organizing the basement and garage.
Huge pile for the weekly trash guys. I'm just about ready to sweep the
newly-discovered floor, and what do I learn at work? They are emptying
out 80 rooms of laboratory gear, straight into the dumpsters, except for
what anyone hauls off in the next two days. I expect there to be a few HP
and Tek scopes in there, maybe some regulated tube power supplies. I saw
some promising stuff in the 20-foot roll-off, before it got covered over
with solid oak doors and shelving units. Cripes, the waste.
Ever try to sneak a Tek 531 through the door in your briefcase? Oh Lord
the trouble I see.
Rick
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From: Joe Pledger <doodle@navicom.com>
Subject: Re: WAF
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:12:26 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n247
Rick Francis wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ed Faulkner wrote:
>
> > I am just hoping my wife does not hit the roof when I bring home the Sony
> > reel to reel someone just gave me. Thought I would setup for my 9yr old son
> > to record his piano playing :-)
> >
> Last weekend I spent hours
> putting together shelves, and then organizing the basement and garage.
> Huge pile for the weekly trash guys. I'm just about ready to sweep the
> newly-discovered floor, and what do I learn at work? They are emptying
> out 80 rooms of laboratory gear, straight into the dumpsters, except for
> what anyone hauls off in the next two days. I expect there to be a few HP
> and Tek scopes in there, maybe some regulated tube power supplies. I saw
> some promising stuff in the 20-foot roll-off, before it got covered over
> with solid oak doors and shelving units. Cripes, the waste.
>
> Ever try to sneak a Tek 531 through the door in your briefcase? Oh Lord
> the trouble I see.
>
> Rick
OK Rick,
Here's how I see it after talking to Vinney and Joey! Rent an identical
dumpster, have it moved into place of the one that's full of gear. Then
have the full one moved to your driveway...empty the full one into your
carport.(Hey...I'm out of storage space too!) and have it sent back to
replace the now again full one that you sent there empty!!(Vinney
says.."You following this?") Etc. etc. until you got it all (says
Joey). Then return your rental to Vinney and everybody's happy!!
Vinney says he wants 10% and Joey is just happy to be doing something
semi-legal!
Regards,
Joe Pledger (no relation...) ;-)
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From: Yip Hin Fai Johari <hfyip@pacific.net.sg>
Subject: Re: WAF
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:13:54 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n247
At 11:06 AM 4/7/98 -0500, Dave Stagner wrote:
>Humor for the married...
>
>The other day, our four-year-old daughter proudly announced that when we
>have another baby, she'll be a big sister! My wife tried to explain that
>we won't have another baby unless Mommy and Daddy decide we will. So I
>said, "Since when do I get a say in anything around here?" My wife
>responded, "Well, I let you do whatever you want to the stereo, don't I?"
>
>-dave
>
>Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
><dstagner@icarus.net>
Managed to sold off my pre-amp to the delight of my wife only to find out
that I'm actually making room for the next one.
Johari
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From: twiegand@nexstar.com
Subject: Waiting for SP #14
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:42:09 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n179
Hi ya'll,
Here is my attempt to shorten the dreadful waiting period for one
joe-netter. I wasn't sure if my subscription to SP had expired so when I
was strolling through Tower Records I broke down and bought a copy of SP
14. Sure enough, I received my subscription issue two days later. So here
is the deal: I will mail my duplicate copy to the first joe-netter in the
US who emails me. I will even pick up the postage so you don't have to pay
me anything. However, there are two catches: First, you must have a current
subscription to SP and not received your own copy yet - no freebies for
cheapskates :-). Second, after you receive your own copy you must pass on
the issue I sent you, either to a fellow joe-netter or to someone who might
be interested in subscribing to SP and wants proof of the quality of the
rag.
Private emails to me please.
Best,
Torsten Wiegand
twiegand@nexstar.com
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From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:40:27 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n191
Okay, Torsten sent me the magazine, and predictably I soon after received
my own subscription copy. So as promised I am passing on the extra issue
with the caveats below. Should I send this to Conrad, who asked what SP is?
Reply to: Rick Francis, rfranci@uoft03.utoledo.edu
On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 Torsten Wiegand wrote:
> 14. Sure enough, I received my subscription issue two days later. So here
> is the deal: I will mail my duplicate copy to the first joe-netter in the
> US who emails me. I will even pick up the postage so you don't have to pay
> me anything. However, there are two catches: First, you must have a current
> subscription to SP and not received your own copy yet - no freebies for
> cheapskates :-). Second, after you receive your own copy you must pass on
> the issue I sent you, either to a fellow joe-netter or to someone who might
> be interested in subscribing to SP and wants proof of the quality of the
> rag.
> Private emails to me please.
>
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From: Dale.Simon@ps.net
Subject: Re[2]: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:36:00 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
Rick F. wrote:
"Okay, Torsten sent me the magazine, and predictably I soon
after received my own subscription copy. So as promised I am
passing on the extra issue
with the caveats below. Should I send this to Conrad, who asked
what SP is?"
You don't think he might soil it? ;) jus' kiddin' I say send it
to Conrad.
Dale Simon
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From: Ron Bales <rbales@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:47:22 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
Rick sez:
> Okay, Torsten sent me the magazine, and predictably I soon after received
> my own subscription copy. So as promised I am passing on the extra issue
> with the caveats below. Should I send this to Conrad, who asked what SP is?
I dunno Rick. I mean who let him in here without getting him checked
out first. He could be a spy, an infiltrator, a provocateur! Who knows
what use he might make of that information.
Are we to believe that he really doesn't KNOW. Sounds fishy to me.
Let's test him:
Conrad
1. Name three makers of V-Twin motorcycles, not Japanese
2. Carroll Smith wrote books about what subject
3. Who makes your favorite exotic racing bicycles
4. If the image of Norman Crowhurst appeared in your living room
A. genuflect
B. lay prone
C. offer a beer and sacrifice a small choke
D. all of the above
5. If your pager stops working do you fix it or have the beeper company
do it. (this question assumes you have already taken it apart before.)
6. Is your PC: a- State of the Art, b- last couple of generations but
serviceable c- post-industrial salvage
7. Finish this sentence (not necessarily on-line) "County Cork is
_________________ "
This should tell us if he is worthy.
ROn
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From: Kalman Rubinson <rubinsnk@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:54:56 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, David N. Barnett wrote:
> Now that Kal has outed us in his column on the Stereophile web page, I
> suppose all sorts of the great unwashed will be wandering in here.
You got me pinned! OTOH, there's no reason to pander. If they don't get
it, they'll just go away.
Kal
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From: Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca>
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:30:22 -0400 (AST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Kalman Rubinson wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, David N. Barnett wrote:
>
> > Now that Kal has outed us in his column on the Stereophile web page, I
> > suppose all sorts of the great unwashed will be wandering in here.
>
> You got me pinned! OTOH, there's no reason to pander. If they don't get
> it, they'll just go away.
>
> Kal
Kal did the same to us on the AA list, with no ill effects SO FAR :-)
No need to respond, Kal. Who loves ya, baby
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From: davidbarnett@aristotle.net (David N. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:36:19 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:47:22 -0500, Ron Bales <rbales@gte.net> wrote:
>I dunno Rick. I mean who let him in here without getting him checked
>out first. He could be a spy, an infiltrator, a provocateur! Who knows
>what use he might make of that information.
Now that Kal has outed us in his column on the Stereophile web page, I
suppose all sorts of the great unwashed will be wandering in here.
- --dnb
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From: davidbarnett@aristotle.net (David N. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Waiting for SP #14 -- the offer is repeated
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:32:32 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n192
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:30:22 -0400 (AST), Richard C Nevill
<rnevill@is.dal.ca> wrote:
>Kal did the same to us on the AA list, with no ill effects SO FAR :-)
>No need to respond, Kal. Who loves ya, baby
The AA list is pretty safe territory. I wasn't complaining about
Kal's mention on the SP page either, or at least not much.
- --dnb
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From: Reid Welch <rewelch@earthlink.net>
Subject: Wanna ride to VSAC?
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:13:22 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n003
Open invitation, but 'tis way too late:
I'm renting a car at the Sea-Tac Airport at midday today. Gonna wait around
a bit for our friend, Hanging Judge Pat Currie who gets in at 1:16PM. Pat
shall meet me at the Avis Counter.
Any VSAC'ers at the airport around 1:16 are most welcome to ride into
Silverdale with us. The car has room for several more passengers.
Look for me near that Avis rental car counter after around 11:30 AM.
I'll be wearing blue jeans and black long sleeve shirt. 5'10", 150lb. Brown
nose hair, slight goiter. Drunk by that time of day, and delighted to be
driving.
We shove by 1:30PM unless...you're rushing to the Avis counter.
Hope to see you there.
Reid
rewelch@earthlink.net
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From: "Ian McPhail" <i.mcphail@rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: re: Wanted 16" arm
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:17:07 +1100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n193
Whoa, 16" I thought they stopped at 12"! SME still make the 3012. The
312 will cost you heaps more. UK company Nottingham Analogue market
their 12" arm as the "Foot".
regards Ian
Ian McPhail i.mcphail@rmit.edu.au
RMIT Chem and Met Eng Dept 110
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne 3001
Australia
tel +61 3 9660 2408
fax +61 3 9660 3746
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From: "Ian McPhail" <i.mcphail@rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: re: wanted: 16" arm
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:08:40 +1100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n194
SME arms were featured in an article in HiFi World UK July 97.
The 12" versions are: 3012 new 538.35 pounds sterling
used 60 - 125
312 new 763.40
used 450 - 550
SME Limited
Mill Rd
Steyning
Sussex BN44 3GY
tel 01903 814321
If you want a copy of the article which details the history of SME
and also the 9" range of arms let me know.
regards Ian
Ian McPhail i.mcphail@rmit.edu.au
RMIT Chem and Met Eng Dept 110
GPO Box 2476V
Melbourne 3001
Australia
tel +61 3 9660 2408
fax +61 3 9660 3746
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From: E Billeci <tube@teleport.com>
Subject: Wanted: 16" tone arm...
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n193
I am looking for the 16" version of the SME, or audiotechnica's copy of the
Ortofon, or, whatever you got, lemmie know.
Ed
tube@teleport.com
www.teleport.com/~tube
P.S.
I was thinking of extending a 12" SME by chopping it in the middle, and
adding
some thin wall tubing as a sleave, to extend it to 16-17". (my table has a
large platter)
This reminded me of the article in SP# 11, about Ennemoser, the "Bone Doctor",
(Origin of the C-37 concept), Where Joe envisions him making a tone arm from
a bone.
Hmmm. The Bone-Arm... By Stiffie Corp! (TM) ;-)
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From: "J. Gordon Rankin" <waudio@cinti.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: 16" tone arm...
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 10:38:15 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n194
Ed,
One of the nicest arms I have seen is the new Ikeda IT-465 a 12" of
course. A little pricey but a nice arm, especailly if you like the
Fidelity Research arms also designed by Ikeda.
No one brings them in here, but you can get them from Koji at EIFL
Gordon
=======> Wavelength Audio <=======
mailto:waudio@cinti.net
http://www.wavelengthaudio.com
ph.fx. 513-271-4186 USA
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From: Finn Hammer <f-hammer@post5.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Wanted: 16" tone arm...
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:47:28 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n195
E Billeci wrote:
>
> I am looking for the 16" version of the SME, or audiotechnica's copy of the
> Ortofon, or, whatever you got, lemmie know.
>
> Ed
> tube@teleport.com
> www.teleport.com/~tube
>
> P.S.
> I was thinking of extending a 12" SME by chopping it in the middle, and
> adding
> some thin wall tubing as a sleave, to extend it to 16-17". (my table has a
> large platter)
> This reminded me of the article in SP# 11, about Ennemoser, the "Bone Doctor",
> (Origin of the C-37 concept), Where Joe envisions him making a tone arm from
> a bone.
>
> Hmmm. The Bone-Arm... By Stiffie Corp! (TM) ;-)
In Hifi World, March 1998 There is a feature about a British company that makes
Carbon Composite. They make armtubes, amongst other things, and it looks a lot like
the one sitting on the Wilson Benesch TT. That tube is available at only 25£, not
a bad deal.
Anyway, I called them today, and they are willing to make a long one for you. You
could fax. ++44 1773530859, or voice: ++44 1773530190, ask for Stephen Millward.
Good luck! Finn
- --
HOME OF
Tractrix Horns, Tube Amps,
Fieldcoil Loudspeakers and Computer Graphics
http://home5.inet.tele.dk/f-hammer/
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From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: 8 inch coaxials
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:50:57 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n272
C'mon, you know some of you out there have a single or a pair of nice
vintage coaxial speakers out there on your back porch, or tucked away in a
box somwhere. I'm not looking for fullrange units, but rather ones with
coaxial tweeters. I can even use 10" units. Now Dan Marshall, you have
every other speaker - have these? *grin*
Singles or pairs welcome, just email.
Thanks,
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther Club of America, Chicago Representative
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From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: 8 inch coaxials, etc.
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:26:33 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n272
Thomas Ronan wrote:
>
> C'mon, you know some of you out there have a single or a pair of nice
> vintage coaxial speakers out there on your back porch, or tucked away in a
> box somwhere. I'm not looking for fullrange units, but rather ones with
> coaxial tweeters. I can even use 10" units. Now Dan Marshall, you have
> every other speaker - have these? *grin*
>
Yep, a pair of Goodmans Triaxiom 208s in ex cond, with whizzer
cones and coaxially mounted horn tweeters, three inch VCs and quite
large Alnico magnets, heavy, beefy little guys. They appear to have
underhung VCs, like Altecs (judging by the thick frontplate). They are
15 ohms units with external HF level control. They sound quite nice,
and have good sounding tweeters, though they do not have a great deal of
bass, fs is about 65 Hz, or so, from memory, and they are not super
efficient, as one would expect from such a large magnet. But then they
are 15 ohm speakers and I was driving them from a SS amp, which would
perhaps account for an apparent lower sensitivity.
Now the bad news. I have been discussing a trade with another chap for a
pair of 15 inch Goodmans woofers, even trade (else I would have listed
them with the previous batch). So, if interested, give me your best
shot and I will contact him and see whether he wants to go through with
the trade. Last time I checked he said he did, but we haven't gotten
around to it yet. Yeah, I know, I need another pair of 15 inch woofers
about like another hole in the head. BTW all the speakers previously
listed have been sold. (So, dammit, I can justify more speakers).
Anyway, if these sound interesting, let me know and I will chase up the
other chap and see whether he wants to complete the trade. If not,
perhaps we can discuss the particulars.
As an aside, I have been refoaming speakers today, a pair of JBL LE14s,
a bitch they are, until you figure out how to go about it, they are
different than "normal" speakers and require a different procedure,
which the refoam-kit supplier cleverly didn't include instructions for.
Anyway, I have a near total grip on how to go about refoaming LE series
speakers in case anyone is contemplating refoaming any of this type. I
could give you some good tips, if you feel intimidated by them. And a
pair of JBL 125As, a piece of cake, and a lone JBL 121A that is
whimpering for a mate, hint, hint, hint. The problem is that no one has
ever heard of a 121A, much less has one. They seem to be very nice
woofers and use the D131 frame/magnet.
Dan Marshall
> Singles or pairs welcome, just email.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> ------
> Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
> 1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
> Lowther Club of America, Chicago Representative
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From: Robert Root <rrjlife@earthlink.net>
Subject: wanted:
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:53:50 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n034
I am looking for the following:
--JBL-123 one or two
--604C--one or two
--Edgar 100hz Horn-no cabinet
Regards..RR
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From: Robert Root <rrjlife@earthlink.net>
Subject: Wanted
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:57:26 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n079
I am looking for an Alchemy DTI-Pro-32 Filter.
Thank You--RR
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From: Roscoe Primrose <roscoe@aiko.com>
Subject: Wanted:
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:42:38 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n255
1" to 1.4" throat adapters to mount 800 series Altec drivers on
multi-cell Altec horns. (806As on 803Bs if you must know!)
Peace
- --
Roscoe Primrose
- -- mailto:roscoe@aiko.com -- http://www.aiko.com/roscoe --
"Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right." Robert Hunter
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From: William Eckle <wmeckle@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted:
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:09:46 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n255
At 10:33 AM 4/17/98 -0400, Joseph Lowe wrote:
> 1" to 1.4" throat adapters to mount 800 series Altec drivers on
>> multi-cell Altec horns.
Hi Joseph:
The last time I looked Rentcom had some on their used equip list. Check:
http://www.rentcom.com/sales/mainlist.html
Hope this helps.
<bold><underline>-=<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Bill
Eckle</color>=-
</underline></bold>wmeckle@primenet.com
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param> Phoenix, Arizona
USA</color></italic>
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From: Joseph Lowe <jlowe@cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted:
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:33:29 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n255
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Roscoe Primrose wrote:
> 1" to 1.4" throat adapters to mount 800 series Altec drivers on
> multi-cell Altec horns. (806As on 803Bs if you must know!)
I need some too.
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From: William Eckle <wmeckle@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted:
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:04:14 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n255
At 12:30 PM 4/17/98 -0600, STEVE CORNETT wrote:
>I called, and then e-mailed, Rentcom for prices on some of their listed
>for-sale items, but so far no luck. Have you purchased from them
>before? What kind of service did you receive?
Hi Steve:
I called them a couple times, but they were out of the items I wanted, other than that, no exper
ience.
<bold><underline>-=<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Bill
Eckle</color>=-
</underline></bold>wmeckle@primenet.com
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param> Phoenix, Arizona
USA</color></italic>
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From: STEVE CORNETT <SCORNETT@usagroup.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted:
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:30:45 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n255
William,
I called, and then e-mailed, Rentcom for prices on some of their listed
for-sale items, but so far no luck. Have you purchased from them
before? What kind of service did you receive?
Thanks,
Steve C.
I like work; it facinates me. I can
sit and look at it for hours. - Jerome
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From: Joe Roberts <jroberts@io.com>
Subject: WANTED: Altec 1567 Mixer
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:04:52 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n251
Anybody got a 1567 for sale?
Joe sp@eden.com
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From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: WANTED: Altec 288b, 24 ohm, single or pair
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:45:15 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n151
Hey all...does anyone out there have a single or pair of 288b compression
drivers from Altec? I need the 24 ohm version with the grey crinkle paint.
If you have any leads for me, please drop me a line.
Also, for that matter, does anyone have a single of the 288(no suffix) with
the 'hollywood' sticker either?
Thanks,
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther Club of America, Chicago Representative
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From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Tom Ronan)
Subject: WANTED: Altec 604E speakers
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:23:21 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n457
I'm looking for a pair of Altec 604E speakers.
If you have a pair, please let me know via private email.
Thank you,
Tom
- ----------------------------------------
Tom Ronan 1045 W. Montana
773.528.0882 Chicago, IL 60614
Lowther America - Chicago Representative
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From: William Eckle <wmeckle@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Altec Y-adaptor
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:58:05 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n068
At 03:52 PM 10/14/97 +0000, Jeroen wrote:
>Like the subject says, I'm (desperately) looking for Altec part
>number 30172: a y-adaptor designed to couple two 288 driver to a
>1505B horn.
>If anyone wants to part with one (yes, it's for mono) of these,
>please mail me. Any leads on companies having one for sale are *most*
>welcome.
Hi Jeroen:
Go to the following URL (Rentcom):
http://www.rentcom.com/sales/mainlist.html
They have 6) 30172 Altec adaptors listed.
Good luck.
<bold><underline>-=<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Bill
Eckle</color>=-
</underline></bold>wmeckle@primenet.com
<italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param> Phoenix, Arizona
USA</color></italic>
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From: Jeroen <jeroen.euwe@let.ruu.nl>
Subject: Wanted: Altec Y-adaptor
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:52:46 +0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n068
Hi all,
Like the subject says, I'm (desperately) looking for Altec part
number 30172: a y-adaptor designed to couple two 288 driver to a
1505B horn.
If anyone wants to part with one (yes, it's for mono) of these,
please mail me. Any leads on companies having one for sale are *most*
welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Jeroen
Jeroen.Euwe@let.ruu.nl
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From: Eric Weitzman <eweitzman@acm.org>
Subject: wanted: copper tape
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:22:58 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n283
Anyone want to part with a foot or so of copper RFI/EMI tape? I looked
through the Digikey and Mouser catalogs last night and found that they
sell 3M copper foil in rolls of 18 yards for about $40. I don't need quite
that much to try the tweak on my DAC :) I'll send someone a SASE with
a few dollar bills tucked inside (you name the price) if you'll bite..
- - Eric
Eric Weitzman (eweitzman@acm.org)
=========================================================================
From: "T. Loesch" <ezee_e@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wanted: copper tape
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 02:36:04 PDT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n283
Hi there,
>Anyone want to part with a foot or so of copper RFI/EMI tape?
You can usually salvage some of Consumer-HiFi mains X-Formers.....
>I looked through the Digikey and Mouser catalogs last night and
>found that they sell 3M copper foil in rolls of 18 yards for about $40.
Hey. You just got yourself a source of very fine Speaker-Cable.....
>I don't need quite that much to try the tweak on my DAC :)
No, but try two sets of these Foils with a Polypropylen Tape in the
Middle between them. Make sure to seal the Surfaces with some form of
Laquer and voila, here we have a set of Goertz Copper Speaker-Cables
(well close enough anyway....).
18 Yards make in my books a four Meter Pair of the Stuff....
Here in the UK a Meter of Goertz M2 (which is about equivalent) set's
you back about 50 Buck's....
A few Peoples on whose opinion I actually pay my money without listening
;-) swear by that stuff....
Kind regards Thorsten.
======================================
e-mail:
Thorsten@tnt-audio.com
Visit TNT-Audio on the Web - the only advertising
free audio web-zine.
http://www.tnt-audio.com
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From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: wanted: copper tape
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:58:47 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n287
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Eric Weitzman wrote:
> Anyone want to part with a foot or so of copper RFI/EMI tape? I looked
> through the Digikey and Mouser catalogs last night and found that they
> sell 3M copper foil in rolls of 18 yards for about $40. I don't need quite
> that much to try the tweak on my DAC :) I'll send someone a SASE with
> a few dollar bills tucked inside (you name the price) if you'll bite..
>
I bought a roll from American Science and Surplus about a year ago for WAY
less than that. The place is http://www.sciplus.com/ I didn't see any
there now, but it's worth trying surplus places. I think it was $5 a
roll.
Rick
=========================================================================
From: "william gaw." <whg@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: wanted: copper tape
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:50:50 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n287
I second this. There's about 8 feet on a roll about 4" wide with a ground
wire running through it. Also one side is insulated with paper. Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: Eric Weitzman <eweitzman@acm.org>
Cc: sound@deliverator.io.com <sound@deliverator.io.com>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: wanted: copper tape
>On Tue, 19 May 1998, Eric Weitzman wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to part with a foot or so of copper RFI/EMI tape? I looked
>> through the Digikey and Mouser catalogs last night and found that they
>> sell 3M copper foil in rolls of 18 yards for about $40. I don't need
quite
>> that much to try the tweak on my DAC :) I'll send someone a SASE with
>> a few dollar bills tucked inside (you name the price) if you'll bite..
>>
>I bought a roll from American Science and Surplus about a year ago for WAY
>less than that. The place is http://www.sciplus.com/ I didn't see any
>there now, but it's worth trying surplus places. I think it was $5 a
>roll.
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Michel Paquette <paqm01@GEL.USherb.CA>
Subject: Wanted: Dynaudio 17W-75
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n341
Hello guys,
I'm looking for a pair of used/new Dynaudio drivers in good shape for a
project. I'd prefer the EXT version but the other version would
probably be fine.
Respond at
paqm01@gel.usherb.ca
or
514-334-9171
Thanks!
Michel
=========================================================================
From: ecoleman@whidbey.net (Ed Coleman)
Subject: Wanted Eico chassis
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:31:50 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n049
Hey folks,I'm looking for an Eico chassis,particularly the front steel
plate (not the brassfaceplate) on a Eico HF85 preamp ,although any of the
smaller integrated should work. Thanks in advance Ed
Ed Coleman,M.ED.University of Washington.Transition Coordinator,Oak Harbor
School District,Oak Harbor Wa.USA.
Supporter of Habitat of Humanity and ZPG.Orbiting in the universe of
Marci,shining in the light of the dual sons Evan and Brendan Ameluxen
Coleman
Pick that basil,get that firwood split and stacked! It's back to school!
=========================================================================
From: Robert Root <rrjlife@earthlink.net>
Subject: Wanted-For Sale:
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:25:49 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n517
For Sale: 2--TV 7D/u Calibrated tube tester $250/ea
Wanted: 1- Acrosound TO-310
1- Dynaco ST-35
- AR EB 101 Table
=========================================================================
From: pitaro@ozemail.com.au
Subject: Wanted .. Goodmans 845
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:02:07 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n070
Hi all,
I'm planning on building a low frequency horn. Anybody know the where
abouts of a couple of Goodman 845 woofers? TIA.
Regards,
Harry Pitaro
+-----------------------+---------------------------------------------+
| Melbourne, Australia | A good discussion is like a miniskirt; |
| | Short enough to retain interest |
| pitaro@ozemail.com.au | and long enough to cover the subject. |
+-----------------------+---------------------------------------------+
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From: Russell Twining <R.Twining@utas.edu.au>
Subject: WANTED: Harmon Kardon Citation 19 Schematic
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:13 +1100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n500
Has anyone a schematic of the above amplifier? At leaset I'm
lead to believe it is the correct model number.
A friends amp seems to have died in one channel and I would
like to help him get it going again.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Russell.
Russell Twining
Computer Support
Department of Electrical Engineering & Computer Science
University of Tasmania, G.P.O. Box 252-65 Hobart Tasmania Australia 7001
Phone + 61 3 6226 2754 Fax + 61 3 6226 2136
R.Twining@utas.edu.au
http://www.eng.utas.edu.au/cgi/staffn/twining/
(Any documents attached to this message are in Binhex format using Eudora)
=========================================================================
From: Marc Elmlund <marc@wineasy.se>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Harmon Kardon Citation 19 Schematic
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:00:06 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n501
At 08.23 +1100 98-11-24, Russell Twining wrote:
>Has anyone a schematic of the above amplifier? At leaset I'm
>lead to believe it is the correct model number.
>A friends amp seems to have died in one channel and I would
>like to help him get it going again.
>Any help would be appreciated.
Check out http://nanaimo.ark.com/~pat/tube.htm
Don't know if you'll find what you're looking for but there's a long list
of schematics there.
Marc Elmlund
Stockholm, Sweden
marc@wineasy.se
=========================================================================
From: Grego Sanguinetti <grego@latticesemi.com>
Subject: Wanted: JBL 2404 or 2405
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n258
I am looking for a pair of the JBL 2404 "Butt Cheeks" or
the 2405 Alnico "Slot" tweeters.
keep me in mind if you come across them.
thanks in advance, grego
=========================================================================
From: "Daniel J. Marshall" <danmarshall@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: JBL 2404 or 2405
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:05:06 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n258
Hi Grego,
Just came across this on RAT:
MVittoria wrote:
>
> FS: JBL 2405 Alnico Slot Tweeter
> I have 6 2405's for sale. $100/each...
>
> Please e-mail
> MVittoria@aol.com
Dan Marshall
Grego Sanguinetti wrote:
>
> I am looking for a pair of the JBL 2404 "Butt Cheeks" or
> the 2405 Alnico "Slot" tweeters.
>
> keep me in mind if you come across them.
> thanks in advance, grego
=========================================================================
From: "Sellek, Grant (TSA)" <Grant.Sellek@roads.sa.gov.au>
Subject: Wanted: JBL diaphragms
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:49:36 +1030
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n157
Guys,
I am interested in knowing if any of you have diaphragms for JBL 1"
compression drivers, new or used.
Preferably titanium, will consider aluminium.
Preferably 16 ohm, will consider 8 ohm.
I believe the part numbers are D16R2425 -titanium, D16R2421 -
aluminium.
If anyone can enquire in their corner of the world, or put me onto
someone, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Grant
Grant Sellek
Adelaide, Australia
grant.sellek@roads.sa.gov.au
=========================================================================
From: bill gardner <wg44929@navix.net>
Subject: wanted jbl for hi
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:55:16 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n408
Would like to trade money for : pair jbl 2403H or 2405H .
thanks Bill Gardner weekdays 800 348 4539
fax 402 330 0774
=========================================================================
From: bill gardner <wg44929@navix.net>
Subject: RE:wanted jbl for hi
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:23:45 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n408
Would like to trade money for : pair jbl 2403H or 2405H .
thanks Bill Gardner weekdays 800 348 4539
fax 402 330 0774
Sorry for not being more clear , I would like to purchase these . thanks
again Bill
=========================================================================
From: Tom Ronan <tronan@orion.it.luc.edu>
Subject: Wanted: Marantz 7T preamp
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 23:04:17 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n484
Hello all,
I'm looking for a Marantz Model 7T transistor preamp. Does anyone have a
spare they'd let go of? If you have one available, please let me know
condition and price and where you are located via private email.
Thank you very much!
Tom
- ----------------------------------------
Tom Ronan 1045 W. Montana
773.528.0882 Chicago, IL 60614
Lowther America - Chicago Representative
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Tom Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: MQ DS050
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:39:06 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n289
Hello,
Does anyone out there have a pair of Magnequest DS050 transformers that
they would part with? If so, please write me with cost.
Thank you very much,
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther-America, Chicago Representative
=========================================================================
From: Steven S <stevensl@mindspring.net>
Subject: Wanted: My Fall Project
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:35:44 +1200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n062
I guess a little background is necessary. I spend way to much time in front
of the computer. As a result my music listening has suffered. Playing CD's
thru the PC w/crummy a/v monitor speakers SUCKS. Since my job and current
projects entail much more time in front of the computer and unfortunatly
the stereo equipment resides in another room and having both is a no-go...
So another system is in order.
What i want is a sat/sub combo. I like Bert's big horns (the look rocks)
but the lowthers are a little steep for me. I also want to do a little sub
to cover the bass range. So...
Need some ideas for drivers or has anyone seen/planned a cheapo system like
this? I needs a small footprint to say the least so no corner horns or towers!
Steven
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: pair 802 or 806 HFdrivers, and 511 horns
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:06:04 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n099
Hello all. A friend is looking for a pair of Altec 806 drivers, or 802
drivers for his horn system. Does anyone have a pair they are willing to
part with? Also he is looking for a pair of the 511 horns. I'll consider
trades, drivers w/o horns and single drivers/horns, so if you've got 'em
write to me!
Thanks,
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther Club of America, Chicago Representative
=========================================================================
From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@ameritech.net>
Subject: Wanted: pair Altec 414-8B
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:32:03 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n329
Does anyone have a good clean pair of Altec 414-8b that they would part
with?
Rimmer
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From: gmainfo@gmabrakes.com (GMA Engineering)
Subject: wanted-P supply
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:11:50 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n008
Hi all : I'm looking for a Genrad regulated power supply.Model 1201 B , or
1201 C .Got one , or the where abouts of one these ? Thanks very much .
William Gardner
=========================================================================
From: Stewart Ferrell <sferrell@pfmc.net>
Subject: Wanted Rectifiers!
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:14:27 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
Hello everyone,
I need some large mercury rectifiers. Must use jumbo 4pin base.
I need them for an idea I have been mulling around.
Thanks,
Stewart
=========================================================================
From: Michael Kerster <MKers@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted Rectifiers!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:52:39 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
211's connected as diodes as per Marantz Project T1?
At 10:14 AM 3/8/98 -0500, Stewart Ferrell wrote:
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I need some large mercury rectifiers. Must use jumbo 4pin base.
>I need them for an idea I have been mulling around.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Stewart
>
=========================================================================
From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wanted Rectifiers!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:08:47 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n212
On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Stewart Ferrell wrote:
> I need some large mercury rectifiers. Must use jumbo 4pin base.
> I need them for an idea I have been mulling around.
Stewart, try Fair Radio. They have lots of 83s, and may have 866s.
Also, Angela recently had some wacko-big MV rectifiers, maybe they still
do...
You can order from Fair via e-mail: fairadio@alpha.wcoil.com
It takes them a day or two to confirm purchase or give price quotes, but
eventually they do.
Hey, when you say JUMBO 4-pin, do you mean like an 845 or 211? Whoa.
Maybe the ones Angela had fit the bill.
Rick
=========================================================================
From: Grego Sanguinetti <grego@latticesemi.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted Rectifiers!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:35:05 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n213
On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Rick Francis wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Stewart Ferrell wrote:
>
> > I need some large mercury rectifiers. Must use jumbo 4pin base.
> > I need them for an idea I have been mulling around.
>
> Hey, when you say JUMBO 4-pin, do you mean like an 845 or 211? Whoa.
> Maybe the ones Angela had fit the bill.
872's are jumbo 4pin MV rectifiers and work quite nicely.
- -grego
=========================================================================
From: Christian Rintelen <rintelen@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Wanted: solid Headshell
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:22:38 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n295
Got a really solid, heavy Orsonic-, Clearaudio-, FR- or SAEC-Headshell for sale?
(No flimsy SME, Stanton etc!)
Or knows who does?
Please private e-mail me!
thanks
Christian
- --
Christian Rintelen Konzept und Text
Dufourstrasse 165 CH-8008 Zurich Switzerland
Phone (01) 420 11 55 Fax (01) 420 11 57
E-Mail: rintelen@datacomm.ch
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: Wanted, Tube Exotica (?)
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:42:44 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n277
Hello all,
There are a few things I've been looking for that I haven't yet posted to
the list about. Perhaps some of you can help me. I know some of these
things are pretty rare/crazy, but it can't hurt to ask. Here goes:
I'm looking for some 6900 tubes. These are for a line stage, but are some
crazy military version. Does anyone have a few I could buy?
I'm looking for someone interested in selling a pair of VV32 or VV52 tubes.
Is there someone out there who took part in the great sale some time ago,
but just isn't using them, or has too many projects?
Also, I'm looking for some WE205 tubes. I can get away with a watt in my
system, and really want to build a little amp with these guys.
Finally, I have an amp built with 46 tubes, which I like a lot. I have
seen some 246 tubes -- but the man who owns the store that has them never
answers the phone. Does anyone have a few of these?
Also, thanks for everyone's help with the scope thing. I found a 30MHz
B&K with probes that's on the way to me. That should be great.
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther-America, Chicago Representative
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Tom Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: TV-7 Tube tester
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:51:48 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n002
(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
rec.antiques.radio+phono, rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.marketplace)
Hello all,
I'm looking for a TV-7 tube tester in nice shape. Please let me know if
you have one and what you would like for it by private email.
Thanks,
Tom
=========================================================================
From: Joe Roberts <sp@eden.com>
Subject: Wanted: UTC A-25 or Stancor WF-35
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 00:18:09 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n163
Need single units of the above transformers. Trade for other similar
stuff or whatever.
Joe
sp@eden.com
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: UTC interstages...A18,A19?
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:51:09 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n008
Hello all. I'm looking for a pair of UTC interstages for a push-pull amp
project. The A18 or A19 would work fine in my application.
Would consider any other trannys, LS series, even Tango, or other brands.
Must have split secondaries for phase splitting.
Thanks,
Tom
- ------
Thomas Ronan tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
1045 W. Montana, Chicago, IL 60614 773.528.0882
Lowther Club of America, Chicago Representative
=========================================================================
From: AirGapped@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: UTC interstages...A18,A19?
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:10:49 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n008
In a message dated 97-09-02 05:39:30 EDT, young Tom wrote:
<<
Would consider any other trannys, LS series, even Tango, or other brands.
Must have split secondaries for phase splitting.
>>
The secondaries must only have a center tap for use as a phase splitting
trans...
normally "split" windings means that there would be say 4 leads on the
secondary....a start and finish lead for each half secondary winding...when
using as a phase splitter you would tie the finish of one winding to the
start of the other and this forms the "central" tap around which a "balance"
is obtained...
If the secondary is "center tapped" (in contrast to split winding) then there
will generally be only 3 leads....and the center tap is formed by internally
connecting the finish of one half winding with the start of the other half
winding.
The thing to look for in a phase splitting trans is a very high degree of
symmetry (the sameness) of both the AC and DC behavior of the unit in the
secondary windings (assuming here that the primary is single ended).....
You might want to check with UTC as thery are making several of the A series
and LS series units fresh these days...also check out Tamura...out at VSAC I
got their complete audio line catalog and they have a ton of small signal
designs (inputs, interstages) that are (at least in Japan) very
inexpensive....say >$100....
you guys should have been at Bot' head's conference...it was an unqualified
success in my opinion....
Mikey
=========================================================================
From: Michel Paquette <paqm01@GEL.USherb.CA>
Subject: Re: Wanted: UTC interstages...A18,A19?
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:53:29 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n009
>In a message dated 97-09-02 05:39:30 EDT, young Tom wrote:
>
><<
> Would consider any other trannys, LS series, even Tango, or other brands.
> Must have split secondaries for phase splitting.
> >>
>
If it's any help, my Website has some specs on the Tango line...
Deafboy
<paqm01@gel.usherb.ca>
http://www-edu.gel.usherb.ca/paqm01/
=========================================================================
From: Michel Paquette <paqm01@GEL.USherb.CA>
Subject: Re: Wanted: UTC interstages...A18,A19?
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:23:01 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n010
>In a message dated 97-09-02 05:39:30 EDT, young Tom wrote:
>
><<
> Would consider any other trannys, LS series, even Tango, or other brands.
> Must have split secondaries for phase splitting.
> >>
>
If it's any help, my Website has some specs on the Tango line...
Deafboy
<paqm01@gel.usherb.ca>
http://www-edu.gel.usherb.ca/paqm01/
=========================================================================
From: tronan@orion.it.luc.edu (Thomas Ronan)
Subject: Wanted: Western Electric 271 tubes
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:37:03 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n300
(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
rec.audio.marketplace,
rec.audio.tubes,rec.antiques.radio+phono,chi.forsale)
I'm looking for some Western Electric 271 tubes, new or used. Please send
private email if you have some.
Thanks,
Tom
- --
Thomas Ronan 1045 W. Montana
773.528.0882 Chicago, Illinois 60614
tronan@orion.it.luc.edu
=========================================================================
From: "Robert B. Lemker" <rblemker@airmail.net>
Subject: RE: Wanted: Western Electric 271 tubes
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:51:34 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n300
Speaking of Western Electric tubes.......
I have a bunch of WECo. 403B's, 408A's, 407A's 369A's and 412A's. Anyone
know what these puppies are?
Thanks,
Bob
> (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
> rec.audio.marketplace,
> rec.audio.tubes,rec.antiques.radio+phono,chi.forsale)
>
> I'm looking for some Western Electric 271 tubes, new or used. Please send
> private email if you have some.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
=========================================================================
From: "Michael Cameron" <mncameron@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: want to buy OPT iron for 300B
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:13:20 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n431
Hi Joes, I would like to build a pair of 300B amps using 3K primary iron.
If any of you have a pair of trannies you are not using I would be
interested in the details.
Thanks, from still sunny... Eugene, OR
Michael
=========================================================================
From: AudioNut <vsukkitp@paul.spu.edu>
Subject: Re: Want to buy parts
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:01:53 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n244
Ralph:
I just order WE300B(coming in this Monday). So my Golden Dragon
Super 300B is up for sale for $125 for the pair, retail is $350 from
Handmade.
BTW: I also have available for sale a pair of Sansui transformer(Ed told
me that these may be made by Tamura) that Ed converted from PP to SE300B.
First, I thought I will use it as spare before I can get my Tango but I'm
getting my Tango(sooner than I thought) this coming April 15, so I see no
use for this. These are on sale for $40/pair.
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, RALPH POWER wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Looking to buy one pair of Magnequest FS030s and also one pair if VV30B, or
> Kron VV32Bs, VV300B, etc. or comparable 300B type tubes.
>
> If you have either for sale, please let me know.
>
> Thanks for bandwidth,
>
> - Ralph
>
=========================================================================
From: RALPH POWER <POWER.RALPH@epamail.epa.gov>
Subject: Want to buy parts
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:11:47 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n244
Hi All,
Looking to buy one pair of Magnequest FS030s and also one pair if VV30B, or
Kron VV32Bs, VV300B, etc. or comparable 300B type tubes.
If you have either for sale, please let me know.
Thanks for bandwidth,
- Ralph
=========================================================================
From: Soh Lieh Sieng <liehsoh@tm.net.my>
Subject: Want to buy: Used Cetron 300Bs
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:36:40 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n250
Anybody would wish to part with a couple of used Cetron 300Bs? I broke one
of mine while moving recently. Please email with your price.
Thank you.
=========================================================================
From: Soh Lieh Sieng <liehsoh@tm.net.my>
Subject: Want to buy: Used Cetron 300Bs
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:38:45 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n250
Anybody would wish to part with a couple of used Cetron 300Bs? I broke one
of mine while moving recently. Please email with your price.
Thank you.
=========================================================================
From: Soh Lieh Sieng <liehsoh@tm.net.my>
Subject: Want to buy: Used Cetron 300Bs
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:38:47 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n250
Anybody would wish to part with a couple of used Cetron 300Bs? I broke one
of mine while moving recently. Please email with your price.
Thank you.
=========================================================================
From: Jérôme Phaneuf <jer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Want to buy: VT-4-C
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:22:15 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n146
Hello guys,
I'm looking for VT-4-C or 211 type triodes.
N.O.S. or "test like new"
Or anything you consider "very good"
I'm looking for the "United Electronics" brand first, and then "RCA".
I have loads of DHTs for trade, or can pay cash if you prefer.
Thanks for the bandwidth and Happy Holidays to all!
Keep that iron hot...
Jerome Phaneuf
=========================================================================
From: Allen Wright <AllenVSE@compuserve.com>
Subject: Warning - Preamp Survey - 100% commercial.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:38:30 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n585
Ladies and Gents,
First up - apologies to anyone who objects to a commercial
here on JoeNet.
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Information:
We have set the target to have kits for the FVP5 and RTP5 preamps and the
latest SE frightening P-P poweramps to be available from a March 25 release
date.
The circuits have been out there for a while, and many (if not Diego) seem
to like them - but I have questions regarding the preamp chassis.
The kits are intended to look good, not be so expensive that only a few
afford them, yet be very flexible so you can mix and match, change and
update easily. Hence they will be modular to a degree - but not quite like
the drawings and pix already published.
These proved to be very expensive to manufacture, mechanically less than
perfect, and although easy enough to build in - horrific to modify!
The preamps will be offered in chassis that will be rack mount sized (the
BOX that is) which means it will be 432mm wide and circa 250mm deep. The
power supply will be separate.
The front panel will be (optionally) a full 19" type (with ears and
mounting holes), or the same _without_ the ears/holes for a width of 445mm,
with small radius rounded corners. The box will be from aluminium
extrusions and sheet, the front panel will be circa 5mm thick from several
choices that will includes brass.
First Topic - data:
Should the preamps be 2 or 3 rack units high? Two rack units (85mm for the
box, 88 for the front panel) is enough to accommodate the tubes on hard
wired (or maybe PCB) modular subchassis with all parts underneath, except
for any large diameter caps that will need to mount on the tube side. I
personally like this width to height ratio from the appearance point of
view.
Alternatively, a three rack unit (128mm high box, 132mm front panel - like
an Audio Research preamp but not so heavy handed) has more internal height
than needed, but it looks impressive and gives LOTS of working space.
Question One - please answer:
"1A" for the 2 unit (88mm) height - 19" front panel with 'ears'?
"1B" for the 2 unit (88mm) height - 455mm front panel without 'ears'?
"1C" for the 3 unit (132mm) height - 19" front panel with 'ears'?
"1D" for the 3 unit (132mm) height - 455mm front panel without 'ears'?
Second topic - data:
The power supply, even with LCLC choke input filtering, does not need it's
own rack sized box, though it may look impressive.
The cheapest option is like the early Counterpoint preamps, with a smaller
(not pretty) box on a fixed umbilical cable, although I find the lack of a
disconnection point between the pre and the PS to be a real pain. And the
most expensive is pure dual mono: two preamp chassis standing on a pair of
matching PS's.
Question Two - please answer:
"2A" Functional PS box - umbilical cable fixed at both ends?
"2B" Functional PS box - umbilical cable with a connector at the preamp?
"2C" Functional PS box - umbilical cable with a connector at the PS?
"2D" Functional PS box - umbilical cable with connectors at both ends?
"2E" Matching PS box - umbilical cable fixed at both ends?
"2F" Matching PS box - umbilical cable with a connector at the preamp?
"2G" Matching PS box - umbilical cable with a connector at the PS?
"2H" Matching PS box - umbilical cable with connectors at both ends?
And for the extremists (Bill Gaw, take a bow!):
"2G" Dual mono preamps with dual "functional box" PS's?
"2H" Dual mono preamps with dual matching box PS's?
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
If you were in the market for a new preamp, which would you prefer?
If you can help me out with your choice - please reply directly to avoid
spending Joe's bandwidth.
Thanks in advance - Allen (Vacuum State Electronics)
=========================================================================
From: Jeremy Epstein <jepstein@shwd.com>
Subject: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:29:45 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n511
The situation with regard to the mainstream audio manufacturers and the
slick audio pubs reminds me a lot of Congress : "You pays your money,
you gets your voice." It's good that we are all here, especially those
who are less FOS like LynnO and Mike. Thanks for the perceptive posts,
guys.
DIY Audio content starts here :
I was swapping driver tubes in my Darling "power" amp last night, I had
pulled some used old stock tubes from those dumpster TV's, and
mysteriously they all displayed the same behavior : one good triode, one
bad. Then the original tube acted the same.
Like a dope I assumed I had screwed something up in the socket by
pulling the driver, so I turned the amp over and started dicking around,
to no avail. Voltages all looked good, continuity checked fine
everywhere.
Moral : try swapping the input cables first. One had worked loose at the
preamp end, completely unrelated or at least not transparently related
to my tube swapping.
I liked an old silver topped Philco 6SN7 better than a more recent
(new-logo) RCA, if anybody cares. Sounded mo betta, like buttah. More
liquid midrange I guess, more like a tube should sound.
- -j
- --
=====================================
Jeremy Epstein .... jepstein@shwd.com
=====================================
=========================================================================
From: "David B. Klein" <dklein@microtec.net>
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:07:56 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n511
Jeremy Epstein wrote:
> The situation with regard to the mainstream audio manufacturers and the
> slick audio pubs reminds me a lot of Congress : "You pays your money,
> you gets your voice." It's good that we are all here, especially those
> who are less FOS like LynnO and Mike. Thanks for the perceptive posts,
> guys.
>
> DIY Audio content starts here :
> I was swapping driver tubes in my Darling "power" amp last night, I had
> pulled some used old stock tubes from those dumpster TV's, and
> mysteriously they all displayed the same behavior : one good triode, one
> bad. Then the original tube acted the same.
>
> Like a dope I assumed I had screwed something up in the socket by
> pulling the driver, so I turned the amp over and started dicking around,
> to no avail. Voltages all looked good, continuity checked fine
> everywhere.
>
> Moral : try swapping the input cables first. One had worked loose at the
> preamp end, completely unrelated or at least not transparently related
> to my tube swapping.
>
> I liked an old silver topped Philco 6SN7 better than a more recent
> (new-logo) RCA, if anybody cares. Sounded mo betta, like buttah. More
> liquid midrange I guess, more like a tube should sound.
>
> -j
> --
> =====================================
> Jeremy Epstein .... jepstein@shwd.com
> =====================================
Did they stop making 6SN7s or something? Sounds like it from the way you
guys talk about them on the list. I've got a big box of old ones, used and
/or surplus, at home in Ontario. I have a collection of Eico tube amps that
use 'em as phase splitters, and they're great.
David Klein
=========================================================================
From: Jeremy Epstein <jepstein@shwd.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:08:27 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n511
David B. Klein wrote:
> Did they stop making 6SN7s or something? Sounds like it from the way you
> guys talk about them on the list. I've got a big box of old ones, used and
> /or surplus, at home in Ontario. I have a collection of Eico tube amps that
> use 'em as phase splitters, and they're great.
>
> David Klein
I honestly don't know if new stock is being manufactured. Certainly with
the development of the 12A?7 mini dual triodes, the 6S?7's became less
frequently spec'd, lots and lots of equipment including almost all
guitar amps went over to minis from octals for small-signal use. Anyway
I like the big fatsos a lot better than the little guys. Sounds like so
do you. Do you have brand/type preferences?
I especially like listening to tubes I didn't have to pay for.
;-)
- -j
- --
=====================================
Jeremy Epstein .... jepstein@shwd.com
=====================================
=========================================================================
From: "David B. Klein" <dklein@microtec.net>
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:29:22
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n511
A 11:08 AM 12/1/98 -0500, Jeremy Epstein a écrit :
>David B. Klein wrote:
>
>> Did they stop making 6SN7s or something? Sounds like it from the way you
>> guys talk about them on the list. I've got a big box of old ones, used and
>> /or surplus, at home in Ontario. I have a collection of Eico tube amps that
>> use 'em as phase splitters, and they're great.
>>
>> David Klein
>
>I honestly don't know if new stock is being manufactured. Certainly with
>the development of the 12A?7 mini dual triodes, the 6S?7's became less
>frequently spec'd, lots and lots of equipment including almost all
>guitar amps went over to minis from octals for small-signal use. Anyway
>I like the big fatsos a lot better than the little guys. Sounds like so
>do you. Do you have brand/type preferences?
>
>I especially like listening to tubes I didn't have to pay for.
>
>;-)
>
>-j
>--
>=====================================
>Jeremy Epstein .... jepstein@shwd.com
>=====================================
>
How about Rogers silver-topped 6SN7s? Got a shoe-box full!
Best,
David
=========================================================================
From: davidbarnett@aristotle.net (David Barnett)
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 00:26:09 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n512
On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:29:22, "David B. Klein" <dklein@microtec.net>
wrote:
>How about Rogers silver-topped 6SN7s? Got a shoe-box full!
Are these pulls from organ amps? Rogers made some pretty cool big
electric church organs that sounded reasonably convincingly
pipe-organ-like. They used EV30W 30" woofers for the bass pedals.
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: trs@carlsmith.com
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT -Reply
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:01:54 -1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n512
>David B. Klein wrote:
> Did they stop making 6SN7s or something?
>>> "jepstein@shwd.com" 12/01/98 06:59am >>>
>>I like the big fatsos a lot better than the little guys.
>>Sounds like so
>>do you. Do you have brand/type preferences?
>>I especially like listening to tubes I didn't have to pay for.
Jeremy-
Try the Sylvania "Gold Brand" line, which has a light brown
base and is labelled "GB-6SN7WGT" in what used to be gold
lettering, but now is kinda copper-looking. They sound great,
and I got mine from a TV repair shop for $2/each for his
whole stock - not quite free, but close enough.
Regards, Tom Sylvester trs@carlsmith.com
=========================================================================
From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT -Reply
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:02:20 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n512
At 10:01 AM -1000 12/1/98, trs@carlsmith.com wrote:
>>David B. Klein wrote:
>
>> Did they stop making 6SN7s or something?
>
>>>> "jepstein@shwd.com" 12/01/98 06:59am >>>
>>>I like the big fatsos a lot better than the little guys.
>>>Sounds like so
>>>do you. Do you have brand/type preferences?
>
>>>I especially like listening to tubes I didn't have to pay for.
>
>Jeremy-
>Try the Sylvania "Gold Brand" line, which has a light brown
>base and is labelled "GB-6SN7WGT" in what used to be gold
>lettering, but now is kinda copper-looking. They sound great,
>and I got mine from a TV repair shop for $2/each for his
>whole stock - not quite free, but close enough.
>Regards, Tom Sylvester trs@carlsmith.com
Ditto, Tom! The Sylvania "Gold Brand" line are excellent--the 5687, the
6SL7 as well. These types have an extra richness and a touch more texture
on top than other brands of my acquaintance.
Grover Gardner
groverg@postoffice.att.net
=========================================================================
From: "Chris Beck" <cbeck@brewercompany.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT -Reply
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:12:07 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n512
Sylvania's are nice, but MY favorite is Tung-Sol. Construction is very
similar, and OOHHH, they sound nice.
Chris Beck
See my web page at: http://www.execpc.com/~n9zes/index.htm
- ----------
> From: trs@carlsmith.com
> To: dklein@microtec.net; jepstein@shwd.com; sound@lists.io.com
> Subject: Re: WARNING : SOME DIY AUDIO CONTENT -Reply
> Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 2:01 PM
>
>
>
> >David B. Klein wrote:
>
> > Did they stop making 6SN7s or something?
>
> >>> "jepstein@shwd.com" 12/01/98 06:59am >>>
> >>I like the big fatsos a lot better than the little guys.
> >>Sounds like so
> >>do you. Do you have brand/type preferences?
>
> >>I especially like listening to tubes I didn't have to pay for.
>
> Jeremy-
> Try the Sylvania "Gold Brand" line, which has a light brown
> base and is labelled "GB-6SN7WGT" in what used to be gold
> lettering, but now is kinda copper-looking. They sound great,
> and I got mine from a TV repair shop for $2/each for his
> whole stock - not quite free, but close enough.
> Regards, Tom Sylvester trs@carlsmith.com
>
>
>
=========================================================================
From: Martin Needleman <mrndlmn@bayserve.net>
Subject: Warning - VT-52 is Unreliable Rectifier!
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:34:01 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n139
Last weekend I succumbed to a periodic urge to rearrange audio furniture
so I unpluged the amplifier, disconnected everything, pulled all the
tubes and moved it to its new location with great care - only a 12"x16"
chassis but its five transformers and three potted chokes add up to a
heft of about ten pounds per watt.
That accomplished, I relaxed for a bit, sipped a small glass of amber
fluid, then reconnected everything and fired up the system. On FM
source, one channel was O.K but the other was stone dead. Shifting to a
CD source had no effect on the situation. I was in the process of
checking the cables when the type 83 rectifier suddenly flared like a
flashbulb and the amp died. Obviously a blown fuse. At this point, I
noticed that the 83 was actually plugged into the socket normally
occupied by the left (dead) channel VT-52 and vice versa. Without doubt
I had just blown an almost new Hytron VT-52 - not a good omen for the
new year.
As luck would have it, replacing the fuse and reversing the tubes
returned the amp was to normal operation but there are a number of
lessons learned:
1) One problem with the type 83 that no-one has mentioned is that it is
the same size, shape and basing arrangement as a number of DHTs. Just
try swapping a VT-52 with a GZ-37, for example, and see how far you get
8*)
2) Amber fluid and DIY audio don't always complement each other.
3) The VT-52 is an unreliable rectifier.
4) The Hytron VT-52 is a singularly robust tube.
By the way, can anyone tell me why the tube survived. I assume the flare
was caused by the high AC voltage (xfmr winding is 400-0-400 @220 mA) on
the grid causing it to short out the anode. Apparently it's possible to
do this without permanently frying the tube??? ...or was the failure
mode different?
Very curious.
mrn
=========================================================================
From: Simon Busbridge <S.C.Busbridge@bton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Wars?? A desperate cry for peace!
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:08:57 +0000 (GMT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n092
Well said, Mattijs. The idea is, I'm sure, is to exchange views
with and learn from others with similar interests. In that way new
friends are made, and through this medium, I have the privilege and
opportunity to do this with people from other cultures across the world.
It is both exciting and an honour.
I hope that I _never_ engage in the sort of flaming that has gone on here
recently.
Simon
Dr Simon Busbridge
University of Brighton
Lewes Road
Moulsecoomb
Brighton BN2 4GJ
UNITED KINGDOM
Tel: 0044 (0)1273 642542
Fax: 0044 (0)1273 642327
e-mail: s.c.busbridge@bton.ac.uk
"..biology is what you do when you don't have the maths for real
science.."
On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Mattijs de Vries wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I also look with wide (and very sad) eyes and see what's happening.... I
> like the list a lot, have gotten much information from it, maybe even
> helped some people. Why do people have to fight out their (private) wars on
> such a list. Why anyway do so much people think they know the whole truth
> in the audio (and other subjects unfortunately), anyway it was all about
> listening and enjoying the music wasn't it?
>
> How can you know the whole truth if other people listen different, music
> stay subjective... Respect each others opinion, they all have some
> interesting points, you don't have to agree!!!! Maybe you can even learn
> something......?!?!?!? People who say to know it all do not know much,
> there is so much to know you never can! The more you know the more you will
> see that.
>
> It's absolutely not my purpose to get people against me, these are all my
> opinions! I just hope that people on the list start to try (the ones that
> didn't of course) to respect each other and make this list even a better
> place than it used to be! We have to do it together! We can risk to loose
> the good guys which help a lot of people here!
>
> That's all I have to say, I will not spent any more time on this, there too
> muc time wasted anyway. Hope it gets better or I also will be forced to get
> away from this list... Have fun listening and hobbying! Bye,
> ---
> _ Mattijs de Vries Ing.
> __|_|__
> | __|__ | E-mail : Mattijs.deVries@student.utwente.nl
> / | | \ URL : Http://Cam041214.student.utwente.nl
> | | | | Adress : Campuslaan 41-214, 7522 NG Enschede
> | | | | Country : The Netherlands, Europe
> | |_____| | Phone : +31-53-4895091
> \_/|_|\_/ ---------------------------------------------------
> |_______| "Nothing shocks me, I'm a scientist", Indiana Jones
> || || ---------------------------------------------------
>
=========================================================================
From: Mattijs de Vries <Mattijs.devries@student.utwente.nl>
Subject: Wars?? A desperate cry for peace!
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:28:12 -0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n092
Hello,
I also look with wide (and very sad) eyes and see what's happening.... I
like the list a lot, have gotten much information from it, maybe even
helped some people. Why do people have to fight out their (private) wars on
such a list. Why anyway do so much people think they know the whole truth
in the audio (and other subjects unfortunately), anyway it was all about
listening and enjoying the music wasn't it?
How can you know the whole truth if other people listen different, music
stay subjective... Respect each others opinion, they all have some
interesting points, you don't have to agree!!!! Maybe you can even learn
something......?!?!?!? People who say to know it all do not know much,
there is so much to know you never can! The more you know the more you will
see that.
It's absolutely not my purpose to get people against me, these are all my
opinions! I just hope that people on the list start to try (the ones that
didn't of course) to respect each other and make this list even a better
place than it used to be! We have to do it together! We can risk to loose
the good guys which help a lot of people here!
That's all I have to say, I will not spent any more time on this, there too
muc time wasted anyway. Hope it gets better or I also will be forced to get
away from this list... Have fun listening and hobbying! Bye,
- ---
_ Mattijs de Vries Ing.
__|_|__
| __|__ | E-mail : Mattijs.deVries@student.utwente.nl
/ | | \ URL : Http://Cam041214.student.utwente.nl
| | | | Adress : Campuslaan 41-214, 7522 NG Enschede
| | | | Country : The Netherlands, Europe
| |_____| | Phone : +31-53-4895091
\_/|_|\_/ ---------------------------------------------------
|_______| "Nothing shocks me, I'm a scientist", Indiana Jones
|| || ---------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
From: Rick Francis <rfranci@uoft03.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: WAS 808 --now 845s wanted, Fair Radio chokes
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:19:43 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n129
On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Grego Sanguinetti wrote:
SNIP SNIP SNIP>
> As an alternative I would suggest the 845. The chinese ones are
> great and can be had cheaply. It likes A1 and can be powered by
> a modest 600v supply. It looks fabulous when fired up and will
> heat your room in the winter.
>
I'm convinced. I've got the sockets (thanks, Spence), the power
transformer, the chokes, and am saving for Mikey's parafeed iron. Ain't
got no tubes though! If anyone would like to swap their 845s (Chinese
are okay, and probably all I can afford) for something, please try me.
Early Bird Department:
Fair Radio had some nice (used) chokes in their latest catalog. 8H, 300 ma,
2260 WV, $15. I got the catalog Friday, and today found they sold them
all last week, to whoever got their catalogs faster than me... The 6H 150
ma units are gone too. What's left? 4H 400 ma 70 ohm, $7; and 4H 300
ma, $6. They have an interesting plate transformer too:
Pri: 105/120/210/240
Sec: 1752 V 270 ma. 20 lbs. used, $45.
With all those primaries I guess you could get several lower
voltage/higher current combinations...
Rick
=========================================================================
From: Ed Faulkner <efaulkne@wsunix.wsu.edu>
Subject: was: Altec 288 drivers
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:10:03 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n351
My question is about the cover that protects the diaphram from the back.
Does this cap load the driver in any way or can it be
removed/replaced/modified to reduce the affect of the backwave on the
diaphram?
=========================================================================
From: "Doc B." <bottlehead@silverlink.net>
Subject: Was: Bell 2145A Schemo??- now VSAC weather
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:02:23 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n347
Mikey say,
>Hey, just got my tix to Seattle....can I bring my bermudas???
ROn say,
> I'm going to see if I can get myself
>to VSAC with these amps so everyone can get a listen.
Doc say,
Get your room reservations soon! The joint is fillin up! 360-698-1000. Ask
for Josh, and be sure to mention the Vacuum State of the Art Conference, so
they put you in the right part of the hotel.
The weather has been great out here lately, nice cool sunny days (except
yesterday, too hot by our NW standards) mixed with just a bit of the usual
drizzly stuff to keep things green.
We have added another exhibitor, Shamrock Audio, and have received recent
inquiries from a couple more manufacturers, so we are running close to
spilling onto the second floor with exhibitor rooms this year.
Also, a few folks have been kind enough to give me details on projects they
may bring for the Craftsman room this year. I need to figure out how many
display tables to set up, and what additional equipment we will need to
provide (although the dream would be that we had homebrew for every piece of
gear in the system - anybody ever homebrew a CD transport?) --- sooo, if you
are planning on bringing a project to share, please drop me an e-mail or
give me a call, and we'll make some table space for ya.
And please, don't feel intimidated by the fact that we called it the
Craftsman's "competition" last year. This year we want to see and hear it
all, not just the sexy projects, we are not emphasizing the competitive
aspect. Bring your pet project, even if it's a half finished breadboard
Doc B.
=========================================================================
From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: was Garrard 301/401, not again ? /now preferred turntable set up
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:54 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n497
> Seems like about 6 weeks ago this subject was discussed -- td124 vs the 301
> ( I started the thread ) it shook out that about 50% prefered the garrard
> and the other side prefered the 124 ,,,, subjective is the key word.
> I own both the 301 and the 124 ( my 2 cents ,the 124 has better highs and a
> more open presentation , the 301 a little srtonger in the bass dept) BUT
> they both sound like and old car radio compared to my TNT/string/graham.
> Both of these old clunkers are great tables for the money , one of the best
> deals in audio , but lets not go so far as to say they smoke verdiers and a
> lot of other bigger buck tables . remember just and old bikers 2 cents (>:
> best Bill Gardner
I prefer the current Linn LP-12/ lingo / graham 2.0 arm placed on a
black diamond racing shelf for the source on BDR cones on its own
dedicated wall shelf to all these older turntables. the sound is quick
smooth, detailed, base is great, highs are smooth, there is little in
the way of the sound....
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From: RALPH POWER <POWER.RALPH@epamail.epa.gov>
Subject: Was Going offline, now Bottlehead site
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:37:59 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n251
Hi Dan,
You said :
>VALVE
>coming soon - www.bottlehead.com
That's great ! I assume this will be your comercial site.
I've often wondered what all kinda stuff you had for sale up there, especially exotic
iron. It's always great fun to browse a DIY website. I can't wait to see it.
I predict it'll be a big boon to you and all us guys too,
- Ralph
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From: darmah@goodnet.com
Subject: Wash. DC Lowther owners
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:39:19 +0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n345
Hi Joes:
I had a person contact me who was hoping to find someone in the
Washington DC area who uses Lowthers and be willing to demo them.
If any one in the area is interested please drop me a quick email so
I can put the you folks together.
Thanks
Best Regards
Marc S. Wauters
darmah@goodnet.com
Internet Paging: "http://wwp.mirabilis.com/544722"
My Home Page: "http://www.goodnet.com/~darmah/"
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From: jc morrison <jcm@eclipse.net>
Subject: was hifi98
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:42 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n320
well, i'm not quite sure what this is all about, but i TOTALLY
understand getting hot under the collar as pertains audiophile
tendencies, especially if you have to deal with them regularly. its
unfortunate, but few people on the planet seem to know less about music
than audiophiles, with the possible exception of recording engineers, of
course... the mere mention of "famous blue raincoat" and dare i gag on
it, "jazzz...." or is it jizz on the blacktop, whatever, is cause for
alarm! accepting this crap is the same as complicity with the evil sick
monkeys who have convinced the deaf and blind that the emperor really
has his britches on. i make it a point always to make a big stink if
anyone so much as implies that this simpering mush has anything
whatsoever to do with music. publically, i would like to make it known
that there are advanced medications available these days for emotional
disturbances, if you are really and truly stuck in the musical mud. my
heart goes out to you... back to herbies behavior, i didn't catch how
this all started but i would give eddy the benefit of the doubt. to go
to a show and work your ass off in a nasty environment (audiophiles...),
try to be passionate and infectiously educational about the importance
of music in a complete life, and all the while knowing that four fifths
of the crowd are going to burp up some inane thoughtlessness about the
"quality" of the harmonica on track eleventy-six of "suck on my
archtop", complete from chesky. i feel a little bad for the guy who
ended up on the receiving end of herbies sea hares, but hopefully he
won't make the same mistake next time... in the meantime, anyone want to
help me kidnap kenny "G" (short for gross...) for some nice midnight
photography??? i figure one or two pictures of kenken with his fist up
the butt of some male hooker corpse, ought to just about even things for
the tarnish he's applied to that most sacred of words, jazz... wouldn't
that look good as a centerfold in downbeat?
jc
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From: Ron Bales <rbales@gte.net>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:06:17 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n320
jc great post. As a reader of herbie's column in SP, I figured that here
we got the other side of his personality. Ya know like that smug guy in in
the line drawing with the pipe and that dumb tie, well somewhere he had to
knock a few heads to get that comfortable.....
> "quality" of the harmonica on track eleventy-six of "suck on my
> archtop", complete from chesky.
Yeah, somebody at the audio club's got that one. He used it for the
marathon AB comparison test between 16 and 20 bit CD.
> ..... in the meantime, anyone want to
> help me kidnap kenny "G" (short for gross...) for some nice midnight
> photography??? i figure one or two pictures of kenken with his fist up
> the butt of some male hooker corpse, ought to just about even things for
> the tarnish he's applied to that most sacred of words, jazz... wouldn't
> that look good as a centerfold in downbeat?
Sounds like one hell of an idea, count me in. Except I think maybe you got
that fist/ass thing the wrong way round.
ROn
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From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:20:16 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n321
I try not to worry about "taste" too much. I'm sure my musical tastes
would offend *anyone* at some point or another.
I'm currently listening to "Lindesnes Trekkspillklubb", a Norwegian
accordion club. 35 accordions and a couple of acoustic guitars and tubas.
Imagine this. Now imagine them singing "This Land Is Your Land". In
Norwegian accents. Bad taste? You decide.
Actually, my four-year-old daughter just made me change CDs. Now we're
listening to Six Mile Bridge, _Across the Water_. It's the first album by
a Celtic rock band from Houston. Highland pipes blowing over rock'n'roll
drums and bass on "'Twas for Our Rightful King". I'm a little
disappointed by the CD... it's overproduced and flat. But they're a
terrific live band, and the kids always come along to the concerts when
they're in town. I'm looking forward to their upcoming live album. I'm
sure many rock fans would find the traditional songs annoying, and
hardcore folkies would be offended by the rocking arrangments.
As i get older, i find it more and more dificult to engage in musical
snobbery. I may not like Kenny G, but i'm sure there are a hell of a lot
more people in the world who wouldn't want to hear my Derek Bailey
records. Is my copy of the Casino Royale soundtrack (the original James
Bond theme) in bad taste? How about my CD of Naked City utterly
butchering it?
Here's my deal with the world... i won't question your taste in music if
you don't question mine!
One more silly story... this saturday, i'm going to a reunion concert by
The Waubeek Trackers, an eastern Iowa folk group that broke up a bit over
ten years ago. I attended their next-to-last concert back then. Due to
crowded conditions, my girlfriend was sitting in my lap, and we were being
cute. They asked for requests, and i called out for my favorite song, "I
Like Big Dogs". One of them looked at us, and said "I'll bet you didn't
know *that* about him!"
- -dave
Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
<dstagner@icarus.net>
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:31:29 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n321
At 7:30 PM -0700 6/25/98, jc morrison wrote:
>well, i'm not quite sure what this is all about, but i TOTALLY
>understand getting hot under the collar as pertains audiophile
>tendencies, especially if you have to deal with them regularly. its
>unfortunate, but few people on the planet seem to know less about music
>than audiophiles, with the possible exception of recording engineers, of
>course... the mere mention of "famous blue raincoat" and dare i gag on
>it, "jazzz...." or is it jizz on the blacktop, whatever, is cause for
>alarm! accepting this crap is the same as complicity with the evil sick
>monkeys who have convinced the deaf and blind that the emperor really
>has his britches on. i make it a point always to make a big stink if
>anyone so much as implies that this simpering mush has anything
>whatsoever to do with music. publically, i would like to make it known
>that there are advanced medications available these days for emotional
>disturbances, if you are really and truly stuck in the musical mud. my
>heart goes out to you... back to herbies behavior, i didn't catch how
>this all started but i would give eddy the benefit of the doubt. to go
>to a show and work your ass off in a nasty environment (audiophiles...),
>try to be passionate and infectiously educational about the importance
>of music in a complete life, and all the while knowing that four fifths
>of the crowd are going to burp up some inane thoughtlessness about the
>"quality" of the harmonica on track eleventy-six of "suck on my
>archtop", complete from chesky. i feel a little bad for the guy who
>ended up on the receiving end of herbies sea hares, but hopefully he
>won't make the same mistake next time...
Excuse me, but what "mistake" did this guy make? Unless I've blotted out
something truly offensive in Mark's weeks-old post, or missed some other
evil undertone, it sounds like he committed the sin of ignorance from
someone's point of view, which last I heard was hardly deserving of a boot
in the ass from the priest...
What gets *me* a little hot under the collar is the implication that Herb
or Don Garber or John Camille or Gordon Rankin or any other discerning
purveyor of high-end gear is any *less* responsible for consumer confusion
than Krell or Mark Levinson or Michael Green or Audioquest or Mpingo Bricks
or anyone else. If Herb's website isn't an appeal to audio snobbery, then
I don't know what is. I don't even know what half the stuff on there
means, but it's very appealing. I assume Herb has to sell equipment to
make a living, and to do that he has to tickle some buried desire in the
heart of the consumer. If he does so successfully, then forgive me if I
momentarily side with the hapless, tin-eared boob with money in his pocket
who walks into his showroom expecting a hero's welcome.
So the poor bastard wants to hear Marianne Faithful's lips touching the
mic? Whose fault is that? "Not mine, not mine! I'm trying to educate the
consumer!" So's my long distance company! Really.
We've all probably been to a few of those "club" meetings where one is
tempted to marvel cynically at the tastes of other audiophiles. I've been
subjected to dinosaurs and thunderstorms and train wrecks and all sorts of
things that made me wonder what on earth I'm supposed to be listening for.
I'll also confess that I once played my favorite Pearl Bailey album at one
such affair and you could have cut the ensuing silence with a knife. And
speaking of accordions, I kind of like that old Mercury thing with a
thousand and one balalaikas. Thank god my collection sports a few
Furtwanglers and Celibidaches. I can hold my head high.
In less than a month the Washington, D.C. League of Theaters will hold its
umpteenth annual open auditions, where thousands of aspiring actors will
try to impress an auditorium full of local producers and directors. The
organizers have published a list of monologues they would *not* like to
hear again for the millionth time, like Mercutio's "Queen Mab" speech and
Biff from "Death of a Salesman" ("I'm nothin', Pop! I'm NOTHIN'!!!").
Maybe audio dealers should post a list outside their showrooms of
recordings they would prefer visitors not play on their systems. "PLEASE
LEAVE ALL JENNIFER WARNES CDS AT THE SECURITY GATE," something to that
effect.
If you want to educate the consumer, then make sure "Jazz at the Pawnshop"
sounds as goddamn good on your product as the recordings which stir YOUR
soul.
BTW, I did not produce "Jazz at the Pawnshop", I do not sell "Jazz at the
Pawnshop", I am not connected in any way with the company which distributes
"Jazz at the Pawnshop". I do not even own a copy of "Jazz at the
Pawnshop", though at the moment I rather wish I did.
Grover Gardner
groverg@postoffice.att.net
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From: davidbarnett@aristotle.net (David Barnett)
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:43:48 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n321
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:42 -0700, jc morrison <jcm@eclipse.net>
wrote:
>the mere mention of "famous blue raincoat" and dare i gag on
>it, "jazzz...." or is it jizz on the blacktop, whatever, is cause for
>alarm!
I know some music store employees who will someday be carried off to
the mental hospital from having to hear an endless procession of kids
playing "Stairway To Heaven" on every guitar in the shop every
Saturday afternoon. Take something that's inherently trite, then
repeat it over and over, and it's time for someone to run amok. I'm
with Herb and jc on this one.
- --dnb
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From: Rimmer de Vries <rdevries@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:31 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n321
Grover Gardner wrote:
[big snip]
>
> BTW, I did not produce "Jazz at the Pawnshop", I do not sell "Jazz at the
> Pawnshop", I am not connected in any way with the company which distributes
> "Jazz at the Pawnshop". I do not even own a copy of "Jazz at the
> Pawnshop", though at the moment I rather wish I did.
>
> Grover Gardner
> groverg@postoffice.att.net
Grover
Send me your address and i will mail you my copy of the "Jazz at the
Pawnshop" CD
Rimmer
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From: Joe Roberts <jroberts@io.com>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:53:30 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n322
Hey JC: If you kidnap Kenny G, make sure you get Dave Slagle over there
with a Hasselblad. Need a good cover shot for SP #16. As for taste, based
on my extensive fieldwork among 1980s audio geeks working in a hi-end
salon in DC, I'd have to argue that "Pawnshop," "For Duke," etc. etc.
represent a peculiar sort of substitute taste where people listen to the
stuff because somebody else said it was good. There are 1000s of better
jazz albums so why do all the audio guys know these wankers? Reminds me of
the guys who used to listen to "Shaded Dogs" and "Mercs" even though they
professed not to like classical music, BECAUSE TAS SAID THEY WERE GOOD. I
could tell that they would rather be listening to ZZ TOP, but they were
ashamed to admit it. There has always been a tendency toward in-crowd
conformism in audio and we do it too, and I hate to defend this "choice"
as though it were real, considered choice. Personally, I'll take Guitar
Slim on Specialty over 99% of Audio Super Discs. Do what you want but try
to recognize it for what it is, that's all I can say. Joe
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From: Eric Weitzman <eweitzman@acm.org>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:55:05 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n322
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:31:29 -0500, in you wrote:
> I do not even own a copy of "Jazz at the
>Pawnshop", though at the moment I rather wish I did.
I know a used CD shop where I can pick one up for you
for 9 bucks :-)
- - Eric
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From: "Johari Yip" <hfyip@pacific.net.sg>
Subject: Re: Re: was hifi98
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:17:05 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n323
why on earth would anyone want to
> invest in $6000 . . . $4,000 . . .or even $500 . . . amplifiers? Please
tell
> me, for what? I can get "musically involved" in a performance listening
to FM
> while driving up the Garden State Parkway -- why do I need or want a
$30,000
> (or more) stereo system? (. . . and for home, why not that "Wave" radio
> thingie, or to reallly go for the lungs, the latest $500 system from
Circuit
> City, huh?)
You'll be surprise. I do come across these so called Audiophiles that
invest in systems that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars but don't
know how to appreciate they. It's a statue symbol to some who wants to show
off how well to do they are and to tell everyone that he can have what the
guy next door have.
Johari
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From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: was hifi98
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:47:53 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n325
At 10:08 AM -0400 6/26/98, Rimmer de Vries wrote:
>Grover Gardner wrote:
>[big snip]
>>
>> BTW, I did not produce "Jazz at the Pawnshop", I do not sell "Jazz at the
>> Pawnshop", I am not connected in any way with the company which distributes
>> "Jazz at the Pawnshop". I do not even own a copy of "Jazz at the
>> Pawnshop", though at the moment I rather wish I did.
>>
>> Grover Gardner
>> groverg@postoffice.att.net
>
>Grover
>
>Send me your address and i will mail you my copy of the "Jazz at the
>Pawnshop" CD
Sure, I'll take you up on it if you're serious :-) I wouldn't mind hearing it.
3803 31st St.
Mt. Rainier Md 20712
Grover Gardner
groverg@postoffice.att.net
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From: "Riesz, Ted - PETFISH" <Ted.Riesz@mailhost.dpie.gov.au>
Subject: Was: I have arrived: my move to 300B land, Now: Unplugged
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:29:30 +1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n318
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Hello
Grover, Ralph, Jim
Thanks for the reassuring comments. My faith in my ears has been
restored. Must get moving on my 300B project.
By the way have returned from my visit to Houston, N"Awlins and London.
Now I understand why no one gave me any advice on Houston. A place to
visit for work not pleasure as one Houstonian intimated to me at Gatwick
airport in London.
However had a great time in N'Awlins. Apart from work, my visit to
Preservation Hall was a highlight.
Managed to get there early and get a fron row centre seat. All the
players were virtuosos IMHO, better than any other jazz I heard in New
Orleans, and you seem to hear jazz everywhere. Also the Mississippi is
something . Also picked up a few Mercury Living Presence LP's in the
Vieux Carre at very reasonable prices probably because most people were
looking for Jazz
London was also interesting, but apart from work only had time to visit
the more obvious tourist places.
Regards
Ted
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From: RALPH POWER <POWER.RALPH@epamail.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: was Internet Message - now SE is dirty
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:16:09 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n237
Hi Ssell,
You commented :
>FWIT(and it indeed may be worth something) SE amps tend to have horrible
>measurements. It's not unreasonable to venture that that's why it sounds
>"dirty". Rather than assuming you're getting "lots of small scale info" you
>may well just be getting lots of small scale distortions, and those extra
>harmonics may sound to your ears like color and texture and you may well enjoy
>them but they also may well be, in fact, just "dirty".
>Put those knives, and torches down, guys. 8-)
OK, we confess, it's just a mass dilusion and we're all wrong. Or maybe we just like
to play in the "dirt". What sort of meaningful reply do expect from this statement ?
My view is that we here are past worrying about audio delusions or inherent
distortions of SE. We have listened to the usual comercial stuff and we are here now
because we think it does sound better and we are experimenting with it. We have heard
that stuff and now like this stuff better. I personally am not really concerned with
measurements as it applies to what I like to listen to. After all, the other stuff
measures better and I like this better so that tells me something about how
measurements relate to what I like.
If you don't, that is fine, but don't come hear and imply we don't know what we hear
and what we should like and that we just "might" be "wrong". And I'm sure you'll be
glad to give us a list of your professional qualifications that give you the authority
to tell us this. You did this last week with the horn speaker comment and got a few
negative replies, so here we go again with SE instead. You are not the first attempt
to do this, and I'm sure you won't be the last.
Maybe you should stop throwing bombs at us and should listen and learn instead. Or
maybe you should go somewhere else where others feel as you do about SE and
embrace whatever it is that you DO embrace. Hey, maybe you should try PP triode !
There is room in this world for all audio views. This list is for SE, but you don't like SE,
so maybe you came to the wrong list.
If you want a technical debate on SE versus anything else, well I'm sure someone
here will be glad to give you one, and I'm not the one. But I am slightly offended by the
implications of your statements and the rather snippy tone of your posts.
- - Ralph
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From: "Andrej Detièek" <andrej.deticek@siol.net>
Subject: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:21:14 +0200
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T. Loesch wrote:
>K.Steffensen wrote:
> >I don't belive cables needs burn in.
>
> I have done Experiments in this line myself. I agree. I have found no
> Evidence of break-in in Cables. However some manufacturers insist their
> Cables need breakin. To be fair I connect them to a CD-Player Output
> with a 10k Resistance on the other End with a CD on repeat.
>
> This simulates the Cable being in a system and being played.
>
> As said, no evidence has emerged for break-in there. At the same time,
> if Cables are moved they can change mechanically and as a result
> electrically and require some time to "settle".
> =============================
> e-mail:
> Thorsten@tnt-audio.com
Hello,
My experience in regard to cable breaking-in is different than the one of
Thorsten Loesch and Kurt Steffensen.
I have found out that cables, just like any other component in the audio
reproduction chain, need a significant break-in period. And I have had the
chance to go through *many* types of different manufacturer's brand new
cables which had to be broken-in. I also personally know several people who
hear a big difference between broken-in and not broken-in cables. I am
talking here about speaker and interconnect cables, and to a smaller degree
(Because of a shorter length of wire) also amplifier internal wiring.
A period of several hours to 24 and 48 hours of signal, being played through
the cable, seems to be needed.
I have also found out that a broken-in cable, transported to another
location, need some time to break-in again. But this time, a relatively
short period - perhaps up to 30 minutes, on the average.
As far as directionality of a cable is concerned, I am not hearing any
significant change, except in one case: When a cable is broken-in in one
direction and then the direction is reversed. Then again a significant
amount of time is required to break-in the cable, but not quite as much as
with a brand new cable.
There are a couple of cable types that I have noticed need a very small time
(A few minutes perhaps only) to be broken-in: Alpha Core MI 1 and MI 2
speaker cables and the original Lindsay-Geyer interconnect cable. Since
these cables have a very thin insulation coating in case of Alpha Core and
different materials in case of Lindsay -Geyer (Steel conductor and some
natural fiber insulation), I must conclude that a lot of breaking-in has to
do with the amount and kind of the insulating dielectric, surrounding the
conductor(s). So, this could be *one* of the electrical (= material)
explanations for why the breaking-in is required.
I am convinced if I can hear the difference. This means evidence to me...
Like Thorsten and may others can hear the difference between a cathode
follower and a simple amplifying stage.
Regards,
Andrej Deticek
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<P><I>T. Loesch wrote:</I>
<P><I>>K.Steffensen wrote:</I>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><I>>I don't belive cables needs burn in.</I>
<P><I>I have done Experiments in this line myself. I agree. I have found
no</I>
<BR><I>Evidence of break-in in Cables. However some manufacturers insist
their</I>
<BR><I>Cables need breakin. To be fair I connect them to a CD-Player Output</I>
<BR><I>with a 10k Resistance on the other End with a CD on repeat.</I>
<P><I>This simulates the Cable being in a system and being played.</I>
<P><I>As said, no evidence has emerged for break-in there. At the same
time,</I>
<BR><I>if Cables are moved they can change mechanically and as a result</I>
<BR><I>electrically and require some time to "settle".</I>
<BR><I>=============================</I>
<BR><I>e-mail:</I>
<BR><I>Thorsten@tnt-audio.com</I></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><BR>Hello,
<P>My experience in regard to cable breaking-in is different than the one
of Thorsten Loesch and Kurt Steffensen.
<BR>I have found out that cables, just like any other component in the
audio reproduction chain, need a significant break-in period. And I have
had the chance to go through *many* types of different manufacturer's brand
new cables which had to be broken-in. I also personally know several
people who hear a big difference between broken-in and not broken-in cables.
I am talking here about speaker and interconnect cables, and to a smaller
degree (Because of a shorter length of wire) also amplifier internal wiring.
<BR>A period of several hours to 24 and 48 hours of signal, being played
through the cable, seems to be needed.
<BR>I have also found out that a broken-in cable, transported to
another location, need some time to break-in again. But this time, a relatively
short period - perhaps up to 30 minutes, on the average.
<BR>As far as directionality of a cable is concerned, I am not hearing
any significant change, except in one case: When a cable is broken-in in
one direction and then the direction is reversed. Then again a significant
amount of time is required to break-in the cable, but not quite as much
as with a brand new cable.
<BR>There are a couple of cable types that I have noticed need a very small
time (A few minutes perhaps only) to be broken-in: Alpha Core MI 1 and
MI 2 speaker cables and the original Lindsay-Geyer interconnect cable.
Since these cables have a very thin insulation coating in case of Alpha
Core and different materials in case of Lindsay -Geyer (Steel conductor
and some natural fiber insulation), I must conclude that a lot of breaking-in
has to do with the amount and kind of the insulating dielectric, surrounding
the conductor(s). So, this could be *one* of the electrical (= material)
explanations for why the breaking-in is required.
<P>I am convinced if I can hear the difference. This means evidence
to me... Like Thorsten and may others can hear the difference between
a cathode follower and a simple amplifying stage.
<BR>
<P>Regards,
<P>Andrej Deticek
<BR>
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From: "T. Loesch" <ezee_e@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:57:10 PDT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n407
Hi there,
>My experience in regard to cable breaking-in is different than
>the one of Thorsten Loesch and Kurt Steffensen.
>I have found out that cables, just like any other component in
>the audio reproduction chain, need a significant break-in period.
>And I have had the chance to go through *many* types of different
>manufacturer's brand new cables which had to be broken-in.
I have to admit that my own experiments where done using two identical
Pairs of Interconnect Cables of my own manufacture.
The fact that no Conductor in the Cable is thiker or of larger Diameter
than 0.075mm might be significant.
As might be the use of primary Air Dielectric.
One Pair of Cables was made up and left on the Shelf for about one and a
half month, the other was used.
Doing a blind comparison between these two Cables revealed NO
DIFFERENCE.
There was nothing to be heard.
I do consider the posibilty of Breakin to much higher for stranded Wire.
Then again, I would not use the stuff if my life depended on it.
>I have also found out that a broken-in cable, transported to another
>location, need some time to break-in again. But this time, a
>relatively short period - perhaps up to 30 minutes, on the average.
This would be the mechanical setteling, something that is very easy to
observe with long Multicore Cables for Sound Reinforcement....
>There are a couple of cable types that I have noticed need a
>very small time (A few minutes perhaps only) to be broken-in:
>Alpha Core MI 1 and MI 2 speaker cables and the original
>Lindsay-Geyer interconnect cable. Since these cables have a very
>thin insulation coating in case of Alpha Core and different
>materials in case of Lindsay -Geyer (Steel conductor and some
>natural fiber insulation), I must conclude that a lot of breaking-in
>has to do with the amount and kind of the insulating dielectric,
>surrounding the conductor(s).
Noting these observations, the use of primary Air with only a small
amount of Polyethylen in ALL my Cables (even Mains) would explain why I
do not observe Breakin. The use of thin solid Copper (as in Alpha Core
Cable only much thinner) might also be a contributing factor....
>Like Thorsten and may others can hear the difference between
>a cathode follower and a simple amplifying stage.
Seems I need to get some Cable that does show a significant Breakin to
verify that. Any suggestions?
Kind regards Thorsten.
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From: "Andrej Detièek" <andrej.deticek@siol.net>
Subject: Re: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:19:50 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n407
T. Loesch wrote:
>snip<
> Seems I need to get some Cable that does show a significant Breakin to
> verify that. Any suggestions?
>
> Kind regards Thorsten.
Yes, any cable or wire that does not have a very thin insulation.
The better (and longer) the cable the more difference when you break it in.
Regards,
Andrej Deticek
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From: "Andrej Detièek" <andrej.deticek@siol.net>
Subject: Re: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:34 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n407
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<P><I>Thomas Dunker wrote:</I>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><I>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Andrej Detièek wrote:</I>
<P><I>> Like Thorsten and may others can hear the difference between a
cathode</I>
<BR><I>> follower and a simple amplifying stage.</I></BLOCKQUOTE>
>snip<
<BR>____________________________________________________________________
<P>Hello,
<P>I chose this point because it appeared in the same Thorsten's
post in which he said he could not hear any cable break-in phenomena,
but could hear a cathode follower sounding inferior to a simple gain
stage.
<P>Looks like my choice was not a good one as I had no intention
provoking the debate into how cathode followers versus other gain
stages sound.
<P>____________________________________________________________________
<BR><I>>snip<</I>
<P><I> We've been through this so many times already and we're apparently</I>
<BR><I>never going to agree about it anyway, but these polarized</I>
<BR><I>"I can hear a difference, and I prefer..." type discussions bore</I>
<BR><I>me more and more.</I>
<P>>snip<
<BR>____________________________________________________________________
<P>Right. The choice also wasn't good because I wanted to say that broken-in
cables, as other components, sound *better*, not just that "I can hear
a difference and I prefer a broken-in cable"!
<BR>
<P>Andrej Deticek</HTML>
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From: "Rick Blank" <rblank@texas.net>
Subject: Re: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:17:30 -0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v01.n407
> T. Loesch wrote:
> >snip<
> > Seems I need to get some Cable that does show a significant Breakin to
> > verify that. Any suggestions?
> > Kind regards Thorsten.
> Yes, any cable or wire that does not have a very thin insulation.
> The better (and longer) the cable the more difference when you break it in.
> Regards,
> Andrej Deticek
I have also found that the sonic quality of a cable can change if you
solder on connectors versus crimping them on....especially if you
use really heavy lugs and need to use a lot of heat to get the silver
solder to wet properly...I did this with some M1.2S Monster bulk
speaker wire (it's the only kind of speciality audio cable available
locally) that I used really heavy lugs on one end (the big Monster
twist crimp style, not really made to solder, but what the
heck?)...even with a 250 watt Weller soldering gun, it took quite a
while to get the lug hot enough to allow the 96%Sn/4%Ag solder to
flow into the lug....I feel that the excess heat changed the crystalline
structure of the wire at that point and changed it's sonic
characteristics....I made two sets up for the bi-wiring of my Aerius-
i's, took off the set of AudioQuest Type 4's, and could not stand the
sound, there was no high end! I sent one pair to a friend of mine in
Houston that has a set of Theil 1.5's and did not tell him anything
about the sound, in fact, I kind of implied that they were the greatest
sounding things I had ever heard! I let him use them a few days
and then called him to see what he thought of them...he was hesitant
at first but at my insistence on a truthful and accurate report, he
finally let it slip that he thought they were terrible, had no high end
and couldn't stand listening to them!
Meanwhile, I used a set of them on the woofers of the ML's for a
couple of weeks, they sounded pretty good there tight, focused, and
improving day by day, meanwhile, he sent the cables back to
me...well, I took the cables that had been on the woofers off, hooked
them up to the e-stat panels, and there was a world of difference
from when I started with the wires! The recessed high end was
gone and was in fact quite nicely extended...BS! I said to myself,
this can't be, so, I hooked up the set that had gone to Houston to the
e-stats panels, and they sounded dull! I then hooked these up to the
woofers, used the ones that had been broken in on the e-stat, and
let this ride for a couple of weeks and then swapped...guess what,
the other set had "broken in" in now! There was no sonic difference
in the two sets....FWIW, these sets are 6 ft long.....
The only reason that I can think of that would cause this is the heat
necessary at the lugs almost crystallized the copper (in fact, the
surface of the individual strands that make up each leg of the cable
were heat discolored!) and it took a while for crystal junctions inside
and on the actual strands of copper wire to "burn clean" and find
low resistance pathways...I know it sounds like schlock science,and
if I had not heard it myself, would not have believed it!
Another audio buddy has a set of them on his Vandersteen 1's now
and I have heard them, there is none of the high-end roll off on
these speakers, either, but, we will get a chance to compare them to
Kimber 8TC next week and see how they stack up....I also think that
I will trim the ends that have those big lugs on them down a few
inches and use much lighter gauge lugs and crimp them on with a
compound crimper and see if I go thru the same sonic pattern....
So, is it cable break in or connector/cable interface break-in? Or is
it because the surface, where I understand cable pundits say the
treble travels anyway, became corrupted by the stress of soldering?
I think it is probably mostly the last.
Current cables on the ML's are the DH Labs T-14, top and bottom, a
set of the 1.2S are on the Dahlquist DQ-1W subs.....still
experimenting, though!
Rick Blank, KI5SL
AMSAT NA #26195
San Antonio, Texas rblank@texas.net
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From: "T. Loesch" <ezee_e@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS INTERST. TRANSF., NOW CABLE BREAK-IN
Date