Sound Practices Mailing List Files - Volume 2
=========================================================================
From: "Paul@13E1.com" <triode@bow-tie.org.uk>
Subject: [JN] KAK.hta
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:16:40 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n596
Another apology in case I have sent out this bloody KAK thing again.
My new anti-virus software (InoculateIT) down loaded from Multi-Volt's
message has proven excellent.
First it found a "trojan" (whatever that is - it's not a virus) which I
managed to delete and then a few minutes ago it told me I had KAK.hta.
I have run kakcleaner.exe but this does not detect the hta variant it seems.
Anyway thanks to inoculateIT I have found and killed KAK again.
Paul Leclercq
=========================================================================
From: "Paul@13E1.com" <triode@bow-tie.org.uk>
Subject: [JN] KAK virus
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:44:32 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n593
I have been told that I have passed on the KAK virus to a recipient of an
e-mail.
If so this has been unkowingly. If indeed I have passed on this virus to
any of you, then I apologise.
I have run KAK Cleaner exe on my machine four times; this tells me that I do
not have the virus.
As an individual who has to dial up to view his own home page which is
stored on the C drive you might perhaps imagine the level of understanding
of bloody computers that I possess.
I use mine chiefly as a typing telephone- beyond that I'm in the dark.
Paul
=========================================================================
From: Multi-Volti Devices <multi-volti@softhouse.com>
Subject: [JN] KAK virus
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:26:13 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n594
I had my email bounced by a company that told me I had the KAK virus. I was using an older
version of McAfee Viruscan and it wasn't detecting the virus. I downloaded Computer
Associates' InoculateIt (www.antivirus.cai.com) and it alerts me each time I get it again. I'm
told it comes via email, and not as an attachment. It supposedly 'preys' on MS Outlook Express
5.0 machines. I could nto download MS's fix for it. I'm also told uninstalling Outlook Express
and using a different email client (software) like Eudora or Netscape prevents it.
I found out who gave it to me by cleaning the drive (kak.hta is the file to delete), and then
stepping thru all my email messages (I save most of them for a while), until the antivirus
alarm went off. Deleted the kak.hta file that was created, and backstepped (cha-cha-cha) to
that message and it happened again, giving me a positive ID.
sorry for the OT post (hey finally figured out what OT meant...I was was trying to make Output
Transformer or Old Timer fit the context of some messages, and it sure didn't work!)
Murray
=========================================================================
From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] KAK virus
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:48:13 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n594
On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:26:13 -0400, Multi-Volti Devices
<multi-volti@softhouse.com> wrote:
>sorry for the OT post (hey finally figured out what OT meant...I was was trying to make Output
>Transformer or Old Timer fit the context of some messages, and it sure didn't work!)
Don't feel bad, I used to think it meant "Old Testament."
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: "Doug Flynn" <2A3@one.net.au>
Subject: [JN] KAK / Worm virus - apologies
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:48:53 +1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n590
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDDDA.8DB19DE0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, it was I who sent the KAK / Worm virus to you all, for which I =
profusely apologise.
This virus affects users of Win 95/98 who use Outlook Express 4 or 5 =
with default settings.
You can check to see if you are infected by going into Windows Explorer, =
then Tools, then Find, then Files Or Folders. If you find a file called =
kak.hta or kak.htm then you have it.
The good news is that it is easily fixed. Go to =
http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/wscript.htm and =
follow the instructions at the end. Then run Norton antivirus (or =
whatever you use) just to make sure.
Again, apologies. Doug
- ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDDDA.8DB19DE0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, it was I who sent the KAK / Worm =
virus to you=20
all, for which I profusely apologise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This virus affects users of Win 95/98 =
who use=20
Outlook Express 4 or 5 with default settings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can check to see if you are =
infected by going=20
into Windows Explorer, then Tools, then Find, then Files Or =
Folders. If=20
you find a file called kak.hta or kak.htm then you have it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The good news is that it is easily =
fixed. Go=20
to <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/wscript.ht=
m">http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/wscript.htm</A>=
=20
and follow the instructions at the end. Then run Norton antivirus =
(or=20
whatever you use) just to make sure.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again, apologies. =
Doug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
- ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDDDA.8DB19DE0--
=========================================================================
From: "Stewart Ono" <audiodir@gte.net>
Subject: [JN] Re:Kal
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:00:31 -1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n250
Kal:
My apologies........
Stu
=========================================================================
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: [JN] Kalman the Conqueror
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:12:52 -0700 (MST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n411
Perhaps many here do not read the magazine, but in the midst of a long,
thorough review of a Meridian (pricey) system, Kal Rubinson provides some
of the most meaningful and helpful reports on CDs, DVDs, stereo, and
multi-channel sound that I have ever read on any audio topic. February
Stereophile. Kudos, Kal.
Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: "Michael (Mick)Maloney" <supra@cantech.net.au>
Subject: [JN] Karlson
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:31:29 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n761
This has proberly been covered a hundred times but could someone give me
some feedback on the Karlson enclosure-does it go as low as claimed and
what is the quality of the bass up to 300Hz?
Need something to go with front loaded tractix axiom 80's with cut off at
150 Hz-also considering Edgars ShowHorn.
Any opinions??
MickM
=========================================================================
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: [JN] Karlson
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:44:18 -0700 (MST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n761
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Michael (Mick)Maloney wrote:
> This has proberly been covered a hundred times but could someone give me
> some feedback on the Karlson enclosure-does it go as low as claimed and
> what is the quality of the bass up to 300Hz?
> Need something to go with front loaded tractix axiom 80's with cut off at
> 150 Hz-also considering Edgars ShowHorn.
> Any opinions??
Number 101. For several years the Karlson enclosure was given to students
at Cal Tech as a project to account for all the effects of the assorted
acoustical phenomena it creates. If I had a scanner I could send along
the "scientific" explanation provided by Karlson himself. Karlson was an
untrained individual who had picked up a little lingo -- not much -- and
reasoned that if he grafted together the features of several designs all
their virtues would sum to something magical. It is the worst-measuring
enclosure known to man or woman. A badly misaligned vented box with
various hooded and honky effects from the hymeneal stage curtains.
Just what do you imagine it would do for you?
BTW, anything by Karlson is recommended reading. A funny fellow,
unintentionally. Bud Abbot to Professor Irwin Corey's Costello. He reads
like a technical explanation in The Absolute Sound.
Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: "Phil Sieg" <psieg@nxs.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Karlson
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:16:37 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n761
Doug,
>He reads like a technical explanation in The Absolute Sound.
>
Is there such a thing? I thought tech discussion left that mag when Enid
Lumley took her flashlights and skipped town.
Phil
=========================================================================
From: "Sellek, Grant (TSA)" <Grant.Sellek@transport.sa.gov.au>
Subject: RE: [JN] Karlson
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:47:04 +1030
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n761
If I remember rightly, a certain DJ Marshall said it
"reeeeelly sucks"! Near-total-vacuum-like sucks.
Grant Sellek, Adelaide, Australia
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael (Mick)Maloney [mailto:supra@cantech.net.au]
>Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2000 9:01 PM
>To: sound@lists.io.com
>Subject: [JN] Karlson
>
>
>This has proberly been covered a hundred times but could
>someone give me
>some feedback on the Karlson enclosure-does it go as low as claimed and
>what is the quality of the bass up to 300Hz?
>Need something to go with front loaded tractix axiom 80's with
>cut off at
>150 Hz-also considering Edgars ShowHorn.
>Any opinions??
>
>MickM
>
=========================================================================
From: TORSTEN.LOESCH@enhar-ha.nthames.nhs.uk
Subject: RE: [JN] Karlson
Date: 18 Dec 2000 12:00:09 +0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n762
Mick wrote:
>This has proberly been covered a hundred times but could someone give me
>some feedback on the Karlson enclosure-does it go as low as claimed and
>what is the quality of the bass up to 300Hz?
I have used the Karlsons for many years in "Disco" Sound reinforcement applications. I think there
is more than meets the eye. I have used them most often in conjunction with so called 15/3 enclosure
s as added bass (a "classic" 15/3 is a Box appx.29" X 24.5" X 14" with a 15" Woofer, a 6.5...10" Mid
and some form of horn tweeter) but also with turbosound style midrange horns (250Hz cutoff) and sui
table higher midrange and treble units.
The Karlson bass units major in the "punch" bass, eg the 80 - 120Hz range. At least in stage applic
ations (no room reinforcement the extreme LF is quite shy, not surprising. Compared to real horns th
e Karlsons lack in SPL, but tend to be shorter throw, thus leaving the bass on the dancefloor and no
t throwing it all the way to the bar... ;-)
Subjectively Karlson unts offer a warm, punchy and powerfull bass, sounding as if it plays rather l
ow, objectively the extreme LF is non existent. It seems Karlson enclosures produce a lot of Harmoni
cs when fed very low LF, causing the ear to percieve the surpressed fundamental tone nevertheless. C
ombined with the "punch" at higher bass frequencies which produce the physical impact the subjective
effect is quite good. Due to the specific design of the "coupler" which is active from around 90Hz
upwards (hence the "punchy" bass) the range from around 80Hz - 500Hz is very usable, sounding less p
roblematic then classic folded horns.
I'm not certain how good a match the Karlsons would be with Axiom 80 on a horn, but I suspect it is
at least worth trying. I suspect using a fairly highish Qt 15" driver with around 40Hz fundamental
resonance could be used to balance out the slightly shy fundamental bass. If you want genuine sub 30
Hz response you will need to use something else though.
BTW, the use of the Behringer Ultracurve makes the Magnificat 20Hz - 16kHz +/-1db.... Impressive an
d sounding better then ever.
Later T
=========================================================================
From: evaguido <EvaGuido@iaehv.nl>
Subject: RE: [JN] Karlson
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:16:21 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n762
Hi all,
I agree with Thorsten here. I used to have a drive in show, equipepd with
Carlsons (15"")
They were great, compact and made Disco sound like disco !
The lack of low end was no problem at all: On the contrary, we reduced low
frequencies below 35 Hz and gained power !
Later we changed to double folded W-bin cabinets, with 18 "" Fane speakers.
Boy, those were the times....
Guido
At 12:00 18-12-00 +0000, TORSTEN.LOESCH@enhar-ha.nthames.nhs.uk wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>
> >This has proberly been covered a hundred times but could someone give me
> >some feedback on the Karlson enclosure-does it go as low as claimed and
> >what is the quality of the bass up to 300Hz?
>
> I have used the Karlsons for many years in "Disco" Sound reinforcement
>applications. I think there is more than meets the eye. I have used them
>most often in conjunction with so called 15/3 enclosures as added bass (a
>"classic" 15/3 is a Box appx.29" X 24.5" X 14" with a 15" Woofer, a
>6.5...10" Mid and some form of horn tweeter) but also with turbosound style
>midrange horns (250Hz cutoff) and suitable higher midrange and treble units.
>
> The Karlson bass units major in the "punch" bass, eg the 80 - 120Hz range.
>At least in stage applications (no room reinforcement the extreme LF is
>quite shy, not surprising. Compared to real horns the Karlsons lack in SPL,
>but tend to be shorter throw, thus leaving the bass on the dancefloor and
>not throwing it all the way to the bar... ;-)
>
> Subjectively Karlson unts offer a warm, punchy and powerfull bass, sounding
>as if it plays rather low, objectively the extreme LF is non existent. It
>seems Karlson enclosures produce a lot of Harmonics when fed very low LF,
>causing the ear to percieve the surpressed fundamental tone nevertheless.
>Combined with the "punch" at higher bass frequencies which produce the
>physical impact the subjective effect is quite good. Due to the specific
>design of the "coupler" which is active from around 90Hz upwards (hence the
>"punchy" bass) the range from around 80Hz - 500Hz is very usable, sounding
>less problematic then classic folded horns.
>
> I'm not certain how good a match the Karlsons would be with Axiom 80 on a
>horn, but I suspect it is at least worth trying. I suspect using a fairly
>highish Qt 15" driver with around 40Hz fundamental resonance could be used
>to balance out the slightly shy fundamental bass. If you want genuine sub
>30Hz response you will need to use something else though.
>
> BTW, the use of the Behringer Ultracurve makes the Magnificat 20Hz - 16kHz
>+/-1db.... Impressive and sounding better then ever.
>
> Later T
>
=========================================================================
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: [JN] Karlson
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:50 -0700 (MST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n763
I see I have much to learn. A couple of posters describe the Karlson as
exhibiting juke-box bass -- and praise it therefor. Since any misaligned
vented box can produce same, why would one go to the trouble of sloping
the mounting panel, as Karlson did, or of adding the exponential bloomers
to the contraption? Perhaps someone wiser than I could explain the
physics of these features and describe how they translate into aural
enhancement.
Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: TORSTEN.LOESCH@enhar-ha.nthames.nhs.uk
Subject: Re: [JN] Karlson
Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:15:02 +0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n764
Hi,
>I see I have much to learn.
We all do, but yes I agree.
>A couple of posters describe the Karlson as exhibiting juke-box bass
No, they do not.
>Since any misaligned vented box can produce same,
No, they cannot. Obviously your understanding of the "Karlson" enclosure is extremely limited, most
ly to prejudices.
>why would one go to the trouble of sloping the mounting panel, as Karlson did,
Because this part of the "Coupler", which is a quarterwave broadband resonator. This resonator is r
esponsible for the increased efficiency throughout the 90 - 500Hz range the Carlson exihibits.
>or of adding the exponential bloomers to the contraption?
See above.
>Perhaps someone wiser than I could explain the physics of these features
>and describe how they translate into aural enhancement.
Well, I shall tell you that a substantial body of literature exists with regards to the "Kralson Co
upler", most of it NOT by Mr. Karlson himself. Maybe applying yourself to some study of this BEFORE
making depreciative comments may provide enlightenment.
Later T
Ps, in the interrest of general enlightenment, have a link to the site that has many of the relevan
t articles on-line:
http://home.student.utwente.nl/e.j.j.ulfman/artic.htm
Especially this article is worth reading:
http://home.student.utwente.nl/e.j.j.ulfman/artic/kkoppler/kkopl_en.html
=========================================================================
From: TubeGarden@aol.com
Subject: [JN] Keith J. and me
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:28:37 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n807
- --part1_86.6d613a6.27bb0105_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 2/13/01 2:09:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
bart.s@bigpond.net.au writes:
>
Greets!
Keith and me got this CFS disease.
He finally got better enough to play concerts, sometimes, again.
I listen and grin :)
Happy Ears!
Al B^}
- --part1_86.6d613a6.27bb0105_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/13/01 2:
09:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
<BR>bart.s@bigpond.net.au writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not familiar with Keith Jarret's </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Greets!
<BR>
<BR>Keith and me got this CFS disease.
<BR>
<BR>He finally got better enough to play concerts, sometimes, again.
<BR>
<BR>I listen and grin :)
<BR>
<BR>Happy Ears!
<BR>Al B^}
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>
- --part1_86.6d613a6.27bb0105_boundary--
=========================================================================
From: "Andy Evans" <arts.psychology@cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:46:02 -0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n792
But very few jazz artists took on fear and despair. Miles did in the late
60s/early 70s, which is why most people really hate that period.>
I certainly think Mingus knew despair, e.g. the Black Saint and the Sinner
Lady, so did Parker in Lover Man, so did Shepp.. actually it's probably a
long list with a lot of sax players in it.
> It's somehwat like Mozart's minor key symphonies - 25 & 40.
Well, I think Miles did something even more surprising which was really
typical of Mozart, i.e. convey yearning, darkness and a deceptive simplicity
in major keys. I can think of the Hoffmeister quartet as one good example,
and certainly plenty of Miles including his Filles de Kilimonjaro, which I
always found unnacountably dark.
Andy Evans: andy@artsandmedia.com
Visit our website: http://www.artsandmedia.com
=========================================================================
From: Robert C Chambers <rchamber@norwich.edu>
Subject: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:31:29 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
Hello-
Just to let you know where I'm coming from, I've been listening to
recorded and live jazz since the late 1950s. I grew up in Detroit and
attended a lotta gigs at The Minor Key, a coffee house kind of club where
Yusef Lateef was the house band. Got to hear Miles, Art Blakey and the
Jazz Messengers (Wayne Shorter and Lee Morgan) and Cannonball there.
After hours, at the West End Hotel (started around midnight, went 'til
dawn) got to hear people like Charles McPherson and Lonnie Hillyer. Saw
Miles and Trane at (I think it was) Town Hall in NYC ~'60 or '61, Eric
Dolphy and Booker Little at the Five Spot Cafe around the same time. I've
been fortunate to see and hear Louis Armstrong, Tyree Glynn, Don Cherry,
Jackie McLean, Sam Rivers, Lester Bowie, Benny Golson, Curtis Fuller,
Clarence Blanchard, Larry Coryell, Gerry Mulligan, Dave Brubeck, Duke
Ellington and a few others in live performances. And the Sneakers Jazz
Band live at Sneakers Bar and Grill in Winooski, Vermont.
And I've got ~800 jazz LPs, a good at least half of them bought in the
'50s and '60s, and I listen to them daily. Last night my wife and I
listened to a Milt Jackson Blue Note LP and Lou Donaldson, "Lou Takes
Off", also a Blue Note LP. We listen in the kitchen (the next room)
usually while we prepare dinner, and Tiska and Spike (the Cats) dig it.
> i'm going to bite my tounge a bit, because it was just the 1st
> episode of 10, but i was a bit dissappointed.
Seconded! Last night's *episode* put me to spleep. Having a photo zoomed
in upon 6 or 8 times successively makes me snore! Never mind the ones
that are held it seems endlessly while a 10 or 15 second clip of music
plays...Snort! Every once in a while you gotta launch a dud, Ken! The
still videos just don't keep *pace* with the music. And the commentary
just doesn't do it. And there isn't enough music one can listen to.
> i had a hard time following along.
> they whipped thru a bunch of important characters
> but loligagged thru several interview segments.
Talk about music is not (ain't) music!
Public radio and public television seem to be much better at talking about
music, usually at the expense of actually presenting the
music. Unfortunately, the local public radio station here, Vermont Public
Radio, has leaned in the direction of reducing jazz air time overall, with
what's left getting a larger (and seemingly larger) percentage of *canned*
programming from NPR. Much of it is of the *talk about music* variety.
Bleeaaahhhh!
> i love Wynton Marsalis, but i may just be getting tired of hearing
> him talk.
Can't agree with the first part of the sentence, although he plays OK on
occasion, actually rarely. Amen to the second part of this sentence!
(What is that anyway, a speculative adveerb phrase?)
> ... He really lost me a coupe of times.
Yup. I left the first episode to make popcorn 2/3 through the program. I
haven't seen another episode until last night, which I also left early to
make popcorn.
I may try another episode or two. The chronology is just gettin' to the
good stuff - BeBop and Free Jazz. Better luck on these Ken!
Sorry for the Big Dump,
Regards,
Robert
=========================================================================
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@talkware.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:24:37 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
What bugs me the most about the Jazz series is the *redundancy*. It
sometimes shows the exact same interview segment three or four times.
There is SO much material to cover! Why waste time overkilling these
points?
The endless still "animations" don't bother me so much. After all, there
isn't that much film from the era, and how many times can we stand
listening to Wynton Marsalis babble about what a genius Louis Armstrong
was? And i think it's important that when music is played, that it gets
played from beginning to end, without voiceovers.
Still, it's been a very good historical overview, and i've learned a lot.
And i have been taping it and watching it with my kids, who are too young
to read books on jazz history even if i could get them to do so.
My biggest fear is that post-bop jazz will get ignored or barely
acknowledged, while half the series is devoted to swing. Personally, i
find most swing to be overorchestrated and uninvolving (although it was
nice to learn why i find Glenn Miller irritating... he was bland pop even
then). Count Basie and Duke Ellington were the only big band leaders who
have really caught me up in their world. My own taste in jazz lies mostly
in the late 1960s, that fertile ground after free jazz but before fusion.
Somehow, i don't expect to hear Pharoah Sanders or Sun Ra mentioned. I
wouldn't be surprised to see even John McLaughlin overlooked. :(
- --
Dave Stagner <dstagner@talkware.net>
Universal Talkware Corporation
10 Second St. NE Suite 400, Minneapolis MN 55413
ph: 612-843-6749 fax: 612-843-6707
=========================================================================
From: Tim Reese <tgrmail@nmr.MGH.harvard.EDU>
Subject: RE: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:36:45 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
Robert opined
>
>> i'm going to bite my tounge a bit, because it was just the 1st
>> episode of 10, but i was a bit dissappointed.
>
>Seconded! Last night's *episode* put me to spleep. Having a photo zoomed
>in upon 6 or 8 times successively makes me snore! Never mind the ones
>that are held it seems endlessly while a 10 or 15 second clip of music
>plays...Snort! Every once in a while you gotta launch a dud, Ken! The
>still videos just don't keep *pace* with the music. And the commentary
>just doesn't do it. And there isn't enough music one can listen to.
Well, I didn't spleep :) but I did work on other things while watching.
Not the most riveting documentary that Burns has offered, but interesting
history nonetheless. The most interesting part so far has been the
historical context of the Great Depression and how that affected the
performers and the music. I'm a lukewarm admirer of most modern forms of
jazz, though I very much enjoyed hearing the history of some of my
favorite classic performers including Basie and Ella. I've warmed to the
earlier efforts of Miles lately, and I'm mildly curious about his history
- - so I'll probably tune in for the next installment.
It's fun to watch the musicians _speak_ music, including Marsalis ...
beep bobba do bop tschhh!
cheers tr
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Reese, MGH NMR Center reese@nmr.MGH.harvard.edu
=========================================================================
From: "Phil Sieg" <psieg@nxs.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:17:40 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
I've been taping them to watch at an earlier hour than 9PM EST to avoid
falling asleep, since in my dotage bedtime is around 9.30.
>
> Well, I didn't spleep :) but I did work on other things while watching.
> Not the most riveting documentary that Burns has offered, but interesting
> history nonetheless. The most interesting part so far has been the
> historical context of the Great Depression and how that affected the
> performers and the music.
I don't think this achieves the level of Baseball (which I loved, but then
I'm a baseball nut) or the Civiel War, but it's still very enjoyable. I
think the old photos and clips alone are worth the price of admission. As
for the criticism that's there's too much talk and not enough music...well,
it is a documentary. And documentaries are supposed to document. The idea
is to acquaint people with the etiology of America's only claim to an
original music form.
With respect to the criticim of the canonization of Louis Armstrong I can
only say that jazz sainthood for Pops is richly deserved. For those who
grew up in the '50s a s i did and only saw the man in films like High
Society or on the "variety" shows, I was astounded when, as na adult, I
began connecting to Armstrong's early work and the Hot Fives and Sevens.
I'm a lukewarm admirer of most modern forms of
> jazz,
Two anecdotes about "modern jazz" - one original, one not.
(1) Sid Caesar used to joke on his "Show of Shows" that current small jazz
ensembles had taken to hiring an extra sideman. His purpose? To man the
radar and warn them when they ventured too close to the melody.
(2) Our local NPR affiliate used to have its nightly jazz program on in
evening drive time. Because the station is an adjunct of the UT Department
of Communications, many of the jazz DJs were student volunteers, with a
penchant for the avant-garde. I came to call the more modern, atonal and
free form jazz idioms "bridge ebuttment music" because after a hard day at
the office, Anthony braxton in a traffic jam made me wish I could ram the
car into a bridge ebuttment.
though I very much enjoyed hearing the history of some of my
> favorite classic performers including Basie and Ella.
Well, we're permanently stuck around 1935 around here - including our stereo
;-), so Basie and ella are "comtemporary".
I've warmed to the
> earlier efforts of Miles lately,
Pre-Bitches brew, the man was amazing. After that, he was amazingly boring.
Phil
=========================================================================
From: "Jon Lane" <jhlane@reflexnet.net>
Subject: RE: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:42:05 -0700
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
Brings back memories. I haven't as diverse a musical
background back home in MI as you do Robert, (I'm 43) but I
recall Art Blakey in Detroit - was it with the Art Institute
of Chicago or something else? Don Cherry; yeah. Weather
Report in ~'80 in at St. Cecilia; the late Jaco jumping off
his bass stack like Eddie Van Halen while a suited,
collected Shorter looked coolly on. Much fun. Plus many
nights in various clubs with great acts I can't even name
anymore. Up to and including Metheny and Chambers and
others at the Fountain St Church (which just has to be one
of the finest venues I've been to). Michigan has its
moments if you know where to dig.
Thanks for the memories.
Jon Lane
> Just to let you know where I'm coming from, I've
> been listening to
> recorded and live jazz since the late 1950s. I
> grew up in Detroit and
> attended a lotta gigs at The Minor Key, a coffee
> house kind of club where
> Yusef Lateef was the house band. Got to hear
> Miles, Art Blakey and the
> Jazz Messengers (Wayne Shorter and Lee Morgan)
> and Cannonball there.
> After hours, at the West End Hotel (started
> around midnight, went 'til
> dawn) got to hear people like Charles McPherson
> and Lonnie Hillyer. Saw
> Miles and Trane at (I think it was) Town Hall in
> NYC ~'60 or '61, Eric
> Dolphy and Booker Little at the Five Spot Cafe
> around the same time. I've
> been fortunate to see and hear Louis Armstrong,
> Tyree Glynn, Don Cherry,
> Jackie McLean, Sam Rivers, Lester Bowie, Benny
> Golson, Curtis Fuller,
> Clarence Blanchard, Larry Coryell, Gerry
> Mulligan, Dave Brubeck, Duke
> Ellington and a few others in live performances.
> And the Sneakers Jazz
> Band live at Sneakers Bar and Grill in Winooski, Vermont.
<snip>
=========================================================================
From: "Andy Evans" <arts.psychology@cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:45:08 -0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
Ken Burns is splattered all over rec.music.bluenote. My first observation -
who is Ken Burns? This whole mediafest seems to have blinded a few people to
the real names here - the musicians. And yes, bebop will be approximately
nowhere. The media has done less for a lot of the great jazz figures than
the academic world - irony of ironies. Quite rightly a lot of the greats are
now music lecturers and professors. It's a strange world.
Andy Evans: andy@artsandmedia.com
Visit our website: http://www.artsandmedia.com
=========================================================================
From: Zyxtan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:57:50 EST
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n790
In a message dated 1/23/01 8:44:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhlane@reflexnet.net writes:
> Brings back memories. I haven't as diverse a musical
> background back home in MI as you do Robert, (I'm 43) but I
> recall Art Blakey in Detroit - was it with the Art Institute
> of Chicago or something else?
Speaking of modern Jazz and Chicago....my fondest Jazz memory was seeing
Herbie Hancock(now a Bose sellout-oh well...) on Lakeshore drive at the red
hot Jazz festival a few years back. It was pouring rain, I was in shorts (you
could tell I was an out of towner)-freezing my butt off. I was under a
plastic tarp-so was Herbie's piano...musicians were getting shocked on
stage-but refused to quit playing. The crowd was the happiest crowd I have
EVER seen at any live performance of any kind, any genre, anywhere-and we
were all drenched. I also am not a Wynton fan...but one thing I loved about
the Ken Burns series was the segment about Lionel Hampton and Benny Goodman
playing with Williams and Gene Krupa. I never knew that footage
existed...very nice. I have
tried to play the vibes before and it ain't easy-I am always amazed by
Hampton.
*ok, I'm going back under my mushroom now*
paul
=========================================================================
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@talkware.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:28:09 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n791
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 06:17:40PM -0500, Phil Sieg spake thusly:
>
> With respect to the criticim of the canonization of Louis Armstrong I can
> only say that jazz sainthood for Pops is richly deserved. For those who
> grew up in the '50s a s i did and only saw the man in films like High
> Society or on the "variety" shows, I was astounded when, as na adult, I
> began connecting to Armstrong's early work and the Hot Fives and Sevens.
I have no objection to the canonization of Louis Armstrong. But i'd like
the documentary to be about something *other* than Louis Armstrong and
Benny Goodman. Too much of the time it seems like "So Louis Armstrong
invented everything in modern music, and then there was this guy Art Tatum
who played piano pretty good, but then astonishingly, Louis Armstrong blew
his nose!" That's my other big gripe with the documentary, besides its
redundancy... near-total focus on a few key musicians (Armstrong,
Ellington, Goodman), while glossing over or ignoring other contributors.
> (2) Our local NPR affiliate used to have its nightly jazz program on in
> evening drive time. Because the station is an adjunct of the UT Department
> of Communications, many of the jazz DJs were student volunteers, with a
> penchant for the avant-garde. I came to call the more modern, atonal and
> free form jazz idioms "bridge ebuttment music" because after a hard day at
> the office, Anthony braxton in a traffic jam made me wish I could ram the
> car into a bridge ebuttment.
See, i wish our local jazz station played *more* of that stuff. :} When
i'm stressed, i like music that seethes with energy and chaos. But i'm
not that big an Anthony Braxton fan. Now Cecil Taylor, on the other
hand...
> I've warmed to the
> > earlier efforts of Miles lately,
>
> Pre-Bitches brew, the man was amazing. After that, he was amazingly boring.
Different strokes... that's my favorite period for Miles. "A Tribute to
Jack Johnson" is my current favorite album. The period starting with his
discovery of John McLaughlin and culminating with the Agharta and Phaedra
concerts is just... primal. He found the deep, wild groove underlying not
just jazz, but the world we find ourselves in today. If Ellington gave us
a tour of the brightest lights of Broadway, and Mingus showed us the
smokey cool of the hippest clubs, then Miles in that period showed us the
alleys and ghettos and shantytowns behind the Broadway lights and the
hipster scene. And dark alleys can be beautiful too, if you can get past
the terror.
The beauty of jazz is that it provides a short path to raw emotion, both
positive and negative. There's a lot of wonderful jazz that does joy,
sorrow, pride, sophistication, anger. But very few jazz artists took on
fear and despair. Miles did in the late 60s/early 70s, which is why most
people really hate that period.
- --
Dave Stagner <dstagner@talkware.net>
Universal Talkware Corporation
10 Second St. NE Suite 400, Minneapolis MN 55413
ph: 612-843-6749 fax: 612-843-6707
=========================================================================
From: "Phil Sieg" <psieg@nxs.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Ken Burns "Jazz" Crashes in Flames was Re: music
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:23:51 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n791
>>Phil Sieg spake thusly:
LOL! I hear the rush of air from my recently punctured balloon.
> I have no objection to the canonization of Louis Armstrong. But i'd like
> the documentary to be about something *other* than Louis Armstrong and
> Benny Goodman. Too much of the time it seems like "So Louis Armstrong
> invented everything in modern music, and then there was this guy Art Tatum
> who played piano pretty good, but then astonishingly, Louis Armstrong blew
> his nose!"
I cna't disagree - haven't seen Monday or Tuesday episodes yet. Wynton is
getting tiresome, if only because he's always saying the same thing. OTOH,
Gary Giddens has become the lynchpin of the dialogue, at least for me.
I'm not sure why the focus is so lastingly on Armstrong and Goodman to the
exclusion of all else. Perhaps the purpose of the spotlight on Goodman is
to remind Wynton that white folks can play, too. ;-).
That's my other big gripe with the documentary, besides its
> redundancy... near-total focus on a few key musicians (Armstrong,
> Ellington, Goodman), while glossing over or ignoring other contributors.
I am interested in seeing how Burns treats the post-WWII era up to the
exodus to Europe of most American jazzmen in order to survive. I agree that
he should expand his horizons, but inevitably someone will feel left out
because they see their favorite getting short shrift. I've not seen much
attention paid to the Kansas City scene in the '30s, for example.
> See, i wish our local jazz station played *more* of that stuff. :}
I don't object to it; some I like. It's just that I found 5PM in a car in a
traffic jam not necessarily the best place for "energy and chaos". ;-)
> Different strokes... that's my favorite period for Miles. "A Tribute to
> Jack Johnson" is my current favorite album. The period starting with his
> discovery of John McLaughlin and culminating with the Agharta and Phaedra
> concerts is just... primal. He found the deep, wild groove underlying not
> just jazz, but the world we find ourselves in today. If Ellington gave us
> a tour of the brightest lights of Broadway, and Mingus showed us the
> smokey cool of the hippest clubs, then Miles in that period showed us the
> alleys and ghettos and shantytowns behind the Broadway lights and the
> hipster scene. And dark alleys can be beautiful too, if you can get past
> the terror.
But wasn't he showing us that in the '50s. One of my favorite Miles' albums
is his soundtrack for Louis Malle's "Lift to the Scaffold". It certainly
shows us a glimpse of where he's headed and serves as a precursor for not
only the Plugged Nickel years but beyond Bitches Brew.
>
> The beauty of jazz is that it provides a short path to raw emotion, both
> positive and negative.
Absolutely in agreement!
There's a lot of wonderful jazz that does joy,
> sorrow, pride, sophistication, anger. But very few jazz artists took on
> fear and despair. Miles did in the late 60s/early 70s, which is why most
> people really hate that period.
Actually, I appreciate that he took on the portrayal of fear and despair.
There's plenty of both on "Birth of the Cool" What I think showcases a
talent is the ability to bring that to familiar music, as Miles and others
did even in the '50s.
It's somehwat like Mozart's minor key symphonies - 25 & 40. Once you
understand the significance - the darkness, if you will - of the g minor
setting, the Minuet in the 25th becomes something of a St Vitus' Dance, with
an edgy despair and reeking of discomfort.
I think Miles - particularly the addicted Miles - took familiar stanarads
from both the jazz and pop repertory and put a jagged edge on them. His
version of "Surrey with the Fringe on Top from "Steamin'"(IIRC) ain't Gordon
McRae by a long shot.
Phil
=========================================================================
From: Ed Billeci <tube@teleport.com>
Subject: [JN] Kenyon Transformer info?
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:43:31 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
I have a few Kenyon trannies that need identification, but I cannot find a
source for this. Does anyone know of a site with Kenyon transformer specs?
(gearing up for a cute retro amp)
If someone out there feels charitable, and has the info, here are the
trannies in question.
P-202
P-205
p-400
T-58
thanks,
Ed
http://www.teleport.com/~tube
=========================================================================
From: Steven <stevensl@mindspring.net>
Subject: [JN] KFilter - speaker design app
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:12:30 -0400 (EDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n654
for you linux/unix/bsd people... (like me)
http://193.99.186.21/
its alpha release but looks promising
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
Steven St.Laurent 403forbidden.net
stevensl@mindspring.net
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
=========================================================================
From: Matthew White <mtw@vne.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] KFilter - speaker design app
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:39:03 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n654
unix folk might also be interested in:
http://www.gusnet.cx/proj/sinus/
"sinus is a program that generates interesting sine waves, plays them
and writes them to MS RIFF (.wav) files.
It generates waves based on a series of input frequencies which can be
either static or a start and end frequency. It is capable of creating
waves of any sampling rate which can be 8/16/32 bits and either Mono
or Stereo (more channels could easily be added). Each channel can
be controlled seperatly and the size of the waves is limited only by
swap space."
- -mtw
Steven (stevensl@mindspring.net) wrote:
>
> for you linux/unix/bsd people... (like me)
>
> http://193.99.186.21/
>
> its alpha release but looks promising
>
>
>
> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> Steven St.Laurent 403forbidden.net
> stevensl@mindspring.net
>
> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>
=========================================================================
From: Robert C Chambers <rchamber@norwich.edu>
Subject: [JN] Kimber TCSS/Loesch Phono Preamp/Lunch
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:46:00 -0500 (EST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n364
Hello All-
Does anyone know if the individual strands of Kimber TCSS (copper, 19
AWG) are insulated from each other, e.g. by an enamel coating?
Thorsten, was that lunch or supper? Thanks for the Loesch phono preamp
reference! Could you clarify the note about using "1/2 of 5687" in the
output stage. Does 1/2 of 5687 replace the two paralleled sections of
the 6DJ8? Is the 100 ohm "plate stopper" resistor retained? The 10 ohm
cathode resistor? Also, I don't understand the "Active Line In" - for
Switch position 2, is the output stage serving as a line stage for
sources other than phono?
I did not eat lunch at Cafe Gourmet, although I did have a great one:
DIY Black Bean, Veggies and Onion soup in Turkey stock, DIY Bread, an
apple and V8 juice. Sadly, no beer or wine - I'm at work.
Regards,
Robert
=========================================================================
From: dslagle@earthlink.net (dave slagle)
Subject: Re: [JN] Kimber TCSS/Loesch Phono Preamp/Lunch
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:24:47 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n364
>>Does anyone know if the individual strands of Kimber TCSS (copper, 19
>>AWG) are insulated from each other, e.g. by an enamel coating?
>
>Jon Risch says they are. The wire i have seen I was not sure at all....
>
I have hear this is supposed to be the case, but the piece i have in my
hands shows differently... i stripped of 8 inches of teflon, and have
continuity between any two points i touch... even if it were a delicate
coating i would think i would find at least one spot without continuity...
funny this should come up... just as i dug some out for a quickie...
dave
=========================================================================
From: "T. Loesch" <ezee_e@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kimber TCSS/Loesch Phono Preamp/Lunch
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:41:58 GMT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n364
Hi Rob,
>Does anyone know if the individual strands of Kimber TCSS (copper, 19
>AWG) are insulated from each other, e.g. by an enamel coating?
Jon Risch says they are. The wire i have seen I was not sure at all....
>Thorsten, was that lunch or supper?
Lunch. It was the handshake over my new Flat, which turned out to be a HOUSE
with garden for less rent than most people pay for a Studioflat....
>Could you clarify the note about using "1/2 of 5687" in the
>output stage. Does 1/2 of 5687 replace the two paralleled sections of the
>6DJ8?
Yes.
>Is the 100 ohm "plate stopper" resistor retained?
My current Implementation removed ALL stopper Resistors (all stages).
instead I used Ferrite Beads DIRECTLY on the Valvesocket Pins....
You can never eliminate too many resistors, too many solderjoints orr too
much excess weight.... ;-)
>Also, I don't understand the "Active Line In" - for Switch position 2, is
>the output stage serving as a line stage for
>sources other than phono?
Yes, it does. And it sounds excellent too.
BTW, I use mercury wetted Reed Relais to switch all inputs (three line -
active and Phono). The Line-inputs are switched in a slight "trick-fasion",
not easy to explain, but it makes for the fewest joins and so on....
>DIY Black Bean,
BWAHHHHHH!!!!! Not only DIY HiFi, DIY Food too.... Commited I'd say.
>Sadly, no beer or wine - I'm at work.
Ahhh, well. This is Europe. We are allowed a little tipple with our
lunch....
Later Thorsten
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
=========================================================================
From: John Levreault <jlevro@mediaone.net>
Subject: [JN] Kimura amp
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:39:34 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n456
Joesters-
Is anyone else playing around with Kimura amps like the 47Labs Gaincard?
Please respond off-list.
JL
=========================================================================
From: "Ed Coleman" <ecoleman@whidbey.net>
Subject: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:48:58 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n816
Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ? tia Ed
=========================================================================
From: "Gary E. Kaufman" <gkaufman@bu.edu>
Subject: RE: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:21:14 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n816
Ed -
Big Big difference between burners. Many are very poor at digital audio
extraction.
I'm on my third now, a PlexWriter 12/10/32A, by far one of the nicest I've
seen.
Handles full speed audio extraction, and has the ability to shut off the
laser to avoid
underruns (burnproof).
Well worth the few extra $$.
- Gary
EMAIL: gkaufman@the-planet.org
Web: http://www.the-planet.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sound@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-sound@lists.io.com]On
> Behalf Of Ed Coleman
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:49 PM
> To: Joe List
> Subject: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
>
>
>
> Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
> wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and
> opinions ? tia Ed
>
>
=========================================================================
From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:48:52 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n816
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:48:58 -0800, Ed Coleman <ecoleman@whidbey.net>
wrote:
>I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
>wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ?
Are you talking about a stand alone audio CD burner for your home hifi
system, or a CD/RW drive for your computer?
If the latter, then I would strongly advise against buying anything
used, most IDE CD/RW drives barely outlive their warranty periods. In
my opinion, a SCSI Plextor Plexwriter is the only way to go.
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: David Dlugos <planet10@pinc.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:08:51 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
>If the latter, then I would strongly advise against buying anything
>used, most IDE CD/RW drives barely outlive their warranty periods. In
>my opinion, a SCSI Plextor Plexwriter is the only way to go.
I'll 2nd that -- firewire is OK too for those of you lucky enuff to have a
G3 Smurf or a G4.
dave
_____________________
"Even though Mac Users may be only 10% of the market, always remember that
we are the TOP 10%!"
Douglas Adams
=========================================================================
From: Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:47:05 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
I'll second Gary's recommendation for the Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32. Can be
had for about $200 mail order. Go to www.pricewatch.com to find the lowest
price - watch out for shipping costs.
Next good purchase (can be had for about $115 new mail order) is a Sony
Suppressa 8/4/32 (CDS140x).
For other detailed info see www.gamecopyworld.com
Plextor is highest rated of all.
Steve
"Gary E. Kaufman" wrote:
> Ed -
>
> Big Big difference between burners. Many are very poor at digital audio
> extraction.
> I'm on my third now, a PlexWriter 12/10/32A, by far one of the nicest I've
> seen.
> Handles full speed audio extraction, and has the ability to shut off the
> laser to avoid
> underruns (burnproof).
>
> Well worth the few extra $$.
>
> - Gary
>
> EMAIL: gkaufman@the-planet.org
> Web: http://www.the-planet.org
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sound@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-sound@lists.io.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ed Coleman
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:49 PM
> > To: Joe List
> > Subject: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
> > wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and
> > opinions ? tia Ed
> >
> >
=========================================================================
From: Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:47:22 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
Oh, best CD burner copy software is CLONECD. www.elaboratebytes.com
Steve
"Gary E. Kaufman" wrote:
> Ed -
>
> Big Big difference between burners. Many are very poor at digital audio
> extraction.
> I'm on my third now, a PlexWriter 12/10/32A, by far one of the nicest I've
> seen.
> Handles full speed audio extraction, and has the ability to shut off the
> laser to avoid
> underruns (burnproof).
>
> Well worth the few extra $$.
>
> - Gary
>
> EMAIL: gkaufman@the-planet.org
> Web: http://www.the-planet.org
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sound@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-sound@lists.io.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ed Coleman
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:49 PM
> > To: Joe List
> > Subject: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
> > wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and
> > opinions ? tia Ed
> >
> >
=========================================================================
From: Ken Gilbert <ride5000@ride.ri.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:03:02 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
At 04:48 PM 2/23/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
>wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ? tia Ed
plextor--there is no substitute. go with scsi interface if you can.
ken gilbert
=========================================================================
From: Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:25:52 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
I agree that the SCSI interface might be a tad better, but not so much better as
it was in past years. And it is much more expensive then the Plextor EIDE. With
the 'burnproof' technology, the need for the SCSI interface isn't critical like
it used to be. But, PE Logic makes as good or better SCSI cards than Adaptec for
about $35. You'd need one of these if you go SCSI, but I don't see the need.
Steve
Ken Gilbert wrote:
> At 04:48 PM 2/23/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >Hey Joes and Josies , I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
> >wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ? tia Ed
>
> plextor--there is no substitute. go with scsi interface if you can.
>
> ken gilbert
=========================================================================
From: "Ed Coleman" <ecoleman@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:37:24 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
I guess I should clarify , I was thinking of a stand alone audio burner , Ed
- -----Original Message-----
From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
To: sound@lists.io.com <sound@lists.io.com>
Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:48:58 -0800, Ed Coleman <ecoleman@whidbey.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
>>wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ?
>
>Are you talking about a stand alone audio CD burner for your home hifi
>system, or a CD/RW drive for your computer?
>
>If the latter, then I would strongly advise against buying anything
>used, most IDE CD/RW drives barely outlive their warranty periods. In
>my opinion, a SCSI Plextor Plexwriter is the only way to go.
>
>--dnb
=========================================================================
From: Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:03:17 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
Ed,
If you have a computer, I WOULD NOT advise spending the money for a 'stand
alone' audio CD burner.
Steve
Ed Coleman wrote:
> I guess I should clarify , I was thinking of a stand alone audio burner , Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
> To: sound@lists.io.com <sound@lists.io.com>
> Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners
>
> >On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:48:58 -0800, Ed Coleman <ecoleman@whidbey.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I 'm considering buying a used cd burner and was
> >>wondering if "all burners are the same " ? suggestions and opinions ?
> >
> >Are you talking about a stand alone audio CD burner for your home hifi
> >system, or a CD/RW drive for your computer?
> >
> >If the latter, then I would strongly advise against buying anything
> >used, most IDE CD/RW drives barely outlive their warranty periods. In
> >my opinion, a SCSI Plextor Plexwriter is the only way to go.
> >
> >--dnb
=========================================================================
From: Grover Gardner <groverg@postoffice.att.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:46:10 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n817
At 7:37 PM -0800 2/23/01, Ed Coleman wrote:
>I guess I should clarify , I was thinking of a stand alone audio burner , Ed
The Tascam pro model is very good, with excellent features, including
digital level adjustment. Yes there is a difference in sound.
- -------
Grover Gardner
=========================================================================
From: David Dlugos <planet10@pinc.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:24:46 -0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
>iMac (you know, those computers that look like a
>throat lozenge?)... one problem: S/N ratio. There appears to
>be excess noise
>NOT audible when doing the hard drive recording process.
>Any advice as to how I can fix this (without having to do outboard A/D)
>would be most appreciated.
I haven't had any clients* complain of this with their iMacs, but then they
may not be as discriminating. What flavour do you have?
* i have never bothered burning audio CDs myself.
Is it audible when you play the digitized copy on the HD?
It would be interesting to compare Apple's A/D with Griffin's
<http://www.griffintechnology.com/audio/imic_main.html>
Robert has a few things to say about noise on his web site
<http://www.channld.com/software.html>. His Mac-the-Scope software can use
the built-in audio.
dave
____________________
Never baptize a cat
=========================================================================
From: Ellen Oler <ellenoler@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:25:16 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com> wrote:
> Ed,
>
> If you have a computer, I WOULD NOT advise spending the money for a 'stand
> alone' audio CD burner.
>
> Steve
Well, I have been using an iMac (you know, those computers that look like a
throat lozenge?) and I have noticed one problem: S/N ratio. There appears to
be excess noise inherent in THIS computer's internal A/D conversion process,
resulting in a small buzzing noise audible on the disc that was NOT audible
when doing the hard drive recording process. (The iMac has its own A/D
hardware built in.)
This noise does not appear on digital to digital copies (not that I would do
that, since it's a copyright violation.) I really don't think it's coming
from my RIAA preamp (ground loop or excess noise in the preamp) because I
don't hear it when monitoring the hard drive recording phase of the process.
But I could be wrong, I have been before.
Any advice as to how I can fix this (without having to do outboard A/D)
would be most appreciated. Anybody been under the hood and tweaked one of
these puppies? I realize the integral CPU/monitor setup is a tough
environment to get noise-free but I bet it's been tried.
Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca> asked:
> Wah,
>
> Hold on people. For us luddites (like me) who still have a black plasic
> phone with a dial on the front,
Do you still use the alphabetic mnemonics for the first two digits (MUrray
Hill 6-5432 or BEechwood 4-5789)?
> and about 2,400 of those old vinyl things
> that go round
Useless. Send them to me.
> and maybe 50 aluminum beer coasters (read cd), Does this
> mean I can record my vinyl on cd and play it the car.
Yes, even with the noise this is a dandy way to get your licorice pizza pies
to fit in the slot in your car dash, or into your portable CD player for the
daily odyssey to the Godless shores of New Jersey. Also to share the
unfindable (read: stuff I was cool enough to collect but you weren't, ha ha)
with your fellow music geeks. How Hornby wrote "High Fidelity" without this
technology baffles me.
I too, vote for the Total Control inherent in first recording to hard drive
and then making the CD from the lovingly prepared digital master. You can
take out the clicks and pops, groove noise etc. and decide where you want
the songs to break and stuff like that.
But then I'm the type of guy that used to vari-speed the last track on my
cassette compilations so that the tape would be full until 1/2" before the
leader. Final chord dies, then the deck makes its "click" 8 sec. later. What
a loser.
- -j
=========================================================================
From: "Dave Slagle" <dslagle@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:28:18 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
>
> This noise does not appear on digital to digital copies (not that I would do
> that, since it's a copyright violation.)
aye me fellow pirate... are ye suggesting that the copying of those ancient
plasic disks is any different?
> Do you still use the alphabetic mnemonics for the first two digits (MUrray
> Hill 6-5432 or BEechwood 4-5789)?
man... you can live in murray hill and have a 646 area code these days...
talk about pathetic!
for the joes outside the nyc area, murray hill is an area of manhattan and
in the olden days when folks listend to those funny 12" disks each area you
called was determined by its first two digits geographically... this
happened in oher areas too, i grew up in milwaukee, and my dad's number
started with BR3, or broadway-3 since his office was on broadway (747 air
miles from the original)... this was a really cool thing since you knew
where you were calling... the day more than 10,000 people moved into murray
hill or onto broadway was a sad one... that nice Beechwood 4 became 234,and
your new neighbor got 442 or some other trivial 3 digit prefix.... flash
forward a few decades and beepers and cell phones and now for that same 10
block area we need to dial 10 digits instead of 7 (so much for technology
making our life easier) because there are more phone numbers than people...
have the joes everywhere else seen this hapen too??? here in the states
every time i call someone it seems they have a new area code... if i ever
leave NYC... i'm putting my 4 phone numbers with 212 area code numbers up on
ebay!... i bet today buying 212 area code numbers will make you more than
tech stocks.
as a sad commentary... i bought a cool-o retro dial phone about 10 years
ago... suddenly i got a client whose number was 989-9800...
dave
=========================================================================
From: Dan Kerl <dlkerl@knology.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:36:48 -0600
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
> as a sad commentary... i bought a cool-o retro dial phone about 10 years
> ago... suddenly i got a client whose number was 989-9800...
This teaches patience, among other things.
- --
Dan Kerl
dlkerl@knology.net
=========================================================================
From: Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:14:15 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
Richard,
Its your sound card (assuming you are doing analog to digital recordings). What
sound card do you have? If you don't have at least a Soundblaster Live, you are
wasting your time (IMO)
Thanks, Steve
Ellen Oler wrote:
> Steve Van Osdell <svanos@queencity.com> wrote:
>
> > Ed,
> >
> > If you have a computer, I WOULD NOT advise spending the money for a 'stand
> > alone' audio CD burner.
> >
> > Steve
>
> Well, I have been using an iMac (you know, those computers that look like a
> throat lozenge?) and I have noticed one problem: S/N ratio. There appears to
> be excess noise inherent in THIS computer's internal A/D conversion process,
> resulting in a small buzzing noise audible on the disc that was NOT audible
> when doing the hard drive recording process. (The iMac has its own A/D
> hardware built in.)
>
> This noise does not appear on digital to digital copies (not that I would do
> that, since it's a copyright violation.) I really don't think it's coming
> from my RIAA preamp (ground loop or excess noise in the preamp) because I
> don't hear it when monitoring the hard drive recording phase of the process.
> But I could be wrong, I have been before.
>
> Any advice as to how I can fix this (without having to do outboard A/D)
> would be most appreciated. Anybody been under the hood and tweaked one of
> these puppies? I realize the integral CPU/monitor setup is a tough
> environment to get noise-free but I bet it's been tried.
>
> Richard C Nevill <rnevill@is.dal.ca> asked:
>
> > Wah,
> >
> > Hold on people. For us luddites (like me) who still have a black plasic
> > phone with a dial on the front,
>
> Do you still use the alphabetic mnemonics for the first two digits (MUrray
> Hill 6-5432 or BEechwood 4-5789)?
>
> > and about 2,400 of those old vinyl things
> > that go round
>
> Useless. Send them to me.
>
> > and maybe 50 aluminum beer coasters (read cd), Does this
> > mean I can record my vinyl on cd and play it the car.
>
> Yes, even with the noise this is a dandy way to get your licorice pizza pies
> to fit in the slot in your car dash, or into your portable CD player for the
> daily odyssey to the Godless shores of New Jersey. Also to share the
> unfindable (read: stuff I was cool enough to collect but you weren't, ha ha)
> with your fellow music geeks. How Hornby wrote "High Fidelity" without this
> technology baffles me.
>
> I too, vote for the Total Control inherent in first recording to hard drive
> and then making the CD from the lovingly prepared digital master. You can
> take out the clicks and pops, groove noise etc. and decide where you want
> the songs to break and stuff like that.
>
> But then I'm the type of guy that used to vari-speed the last track on my
> cassette compilations so that the tape would be full until 1/2" before the
> leader. Final chord dies, then the deck makes its "click" 8 sec. later. What
> a loser.
>
> -j
=========================================================================
From: "Epstein, Jeremy" <JEpstein@ndbcap.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:04:00 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n819
David Dlugos <planet10@pinc.com> writes:
I wrote:
>>iMac (you know, those computers that look like a
>>throat lozenge?)... one problem: S/N ratio. There appears to
>>be excess noise
>>NOT audible when doing the hard drive recording process.
>>Any advice as to how I can fix this (without having to do outboard A/D)
>>would be most appreciated.
>I haven't had any clients* complain of this with their iMacs, but then they
>may not be as discriminating. What flavour do you have?
Grape - 2nd generation with 333mHz clock speed.
>* i have never bothered burning audio CDs myself.
>Is it audible when you play the digitized copy on the HD?
Dunno, I'll check.
>It would be interesting to compare Apple's A/D with Griffin's
<http://www.griffintechnology.com/audio/imic_main.html>
>Robert has a few things to say about noise on his web site
><http://www.channld.com/software.html>. His Mac-the-Scope software can use
>the built-in audio.
Thanks!
- -j
=========================================
Jeremy Epstein........jepstein@ndbcap.com
800 435 1240..........NDB Capital Markets
=========================================
=========================================================================
From: "Epstein, Jeremy" <JEpstein@ndbcap.com>
Subject: RE: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:10:47 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n819
I wrote:
> Grape - 2nd generation with 333mHz clock speed.
OOps, actually I think I have 266 MHz
=========================================
Jeremy Epstein........jepstein@ndbcap.com
=========================================
=========================================================================
From: Paul Butterfield <paulbutterfield@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kinda off topic Cd burners clarification [W/some Humor]
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:47:37 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n818
Hiya J-
Mr. Ellen Oler writ:
>
> Well, I have been using an iMac (you know, those computers that look like a
> throat lozenge?) and I have noticed one problem: S/N ratio. There appears to
> be excess noise inherent in THIS computer's internal A/D conversion process,
> resulting in a small buzzing noise audible on the disc that was NOT audible
> when doing the hard drive recording process. (The iMac has its own A/D
> hardware built in.)
Among us sound geek guys & gals, Macs & PCs are known far & wide for
their mediocre, wonderful renditions, of, er, *RF hum* in the built-in
A/D-D/A hardware. This syndrome also affects PCs as well. Reason: Inside
the Mac/PC is a bountiful hegemony of rich, fullband RF. Lots of RF.
Gobs of RF. More RF than Ken Burnes has outtakes. So much opportunity
for noise bleed, crosstalk, hum, shuffle, and shim sham whammy da dah do
wop wop shebba du... hummmm.... oops, got sidetracked. Musta been
influenced by all them JazzBurns pizza threads I been readin'... IOW,
the RF fields inside of your computer is almost as bad as playing your
AM radio inside a microwave — while set on 'Popcorn.' This is where your
hum is probably coming from. Or a ground loop. Or a hidden CDDB ASCAP
humworm copyright virus. Just Kidding! [I Hope!] There are third party
cards that mitigate this problem with better shielding, circuitry,
chipsets, and the like. But for the quietest AD-DA, some third party
audio cards have an external audio in out patch box. But then, you knew
this. <evil grin>
> This noise does not appear on digital to digital copies (not that I would do
> that, since it's a copyright violation.) I really don't think it's coming
> from my RIAA preamp (ground loop or excess noise in the preamp) because I
> don't hear it when monitoring the hard drive recording phase of the process.
> But I could be wrong, I have been before.
Ah-Ha! That's because you ar monitoring the Inputting not the
outputting. Or not. Its all voodoo to me.
> Any advice as to how I can fix this (without having to do outboard A/D)
> would be most appreciated. Anybody been under the hood and tweaked one of
> these puppies? I realize the integral CPU/monitor setup is a tough
> environment to get noise-free but I bet it's been tried.
Oooo, don't go there (under the CPU hood) — Nasty, that. But if you do,
make sure all the buss plugs are tight. Do you know about ESD protocols
& wrist straps?
<satire mode ON> But what works best is household aluminum foil... just
stuff it all over all them shiny circuit boardey thingies to insulate
the hum from escaping outside to your CD. Poke with a stick- tamp it
down good. [NOTE to HUMOR Impaired: This sentence is a Joke! Just
kidding! Do not try this at home.]
<satire mode OFF> Seriously, have you tried a 1:1 isolation transformer
between RIAA and your Throat Lozenge? Just happen to have found a few
extra Triads I can send you.
> I too, vote for the Total Control inherent in first recording to hard drive
> and then making the CD from the lovingly prepared digital master. You can
> take out the clicks and pops, groove noise etc. and decide where you want
> the songs to break and stuff like that.
Hear! Hear! I second the motion. Works for me. And damn good, I might add.
> But then I'm the type of guy that used to vari-speed the last track on my
> cassette compilations so that the tape would be full until 1/2" before the
> leader.
Geez, back in the old days I didn't have no fancy vari-speed. <grump> I
had to scotch tape an extra length of 1/8 inch tape just to get all of
Inna-gwadah-duhavita into my cassettes...
Aarugh, past my bedtime... 'gnite.
Paul
- --
Paul Butterfield
Squeaky Productions
Rat Town Audio Society
TAD 2001 Recovery Challenge
Orlando (Winter Park) Florida, USA
paulbutterfield@usa.net
paulbutterfield@mindspring.com
407/645-1111 Voice number
407/647-1177 Voice/Data
"Those who hear the hum in music just get the dancers mad."
=========================================================================
From: Simon Busbridge <S.C.Busbridge@bton.ac.uk>
Subject: [JN] Kings of the Air
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:12:53 +0100 (BST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n175
Folks,
I have a tatty Cossor valve manual 1937-38 which I would be pleased to
photocopy and send to people (when I can find time) at no charge. If
interested please get in touch. There's lots of introductory valve
stuff, 1930's valve construction and manufacture (fascinating!),
characteristics and some circuits (aimed at radio).
Alternatively if there is someone willing to scan and post the 136 pages
on a web server that would be jolly terrific.
Simon
Simon Busbridge, BSc(Hons) PhD CPhys MInstP
School of Engineering
University of Brighton
Lewes Road
Moulsecoomb
Brighton BN2 4GJ
UNITED KINGDOM
Tel: 0044 (0)1273 642542
Fax: 0044 (0)1273 642327/642301
e-mail: s.c.busbridge@bton.ac.uk, scbusbridge@hotmail.com
=========================================================================
From: Simon Busbridge <S.C.Busbridge@bton.ac.uk>
Subject: [JN] Kings of the Air
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:31:12 +0100 (BST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n179
To those to who replied, please provide your ADDRESS as I cannot post the
photocopies into my computer!
Simon
Simon Busbridge, BSc(Hons) PhD CPhys MInstP
School of Engineering
University of Brighton
Lewes Road
Moulsecoomb
Brighton BN2 4GJ
UNITED KINGDOM
Tel: 0044 (0)1273 642542
Fax: 0044 (0)1273 642327/642301
e-mail: s.c.busbridge@bton.ac.uk, scbusbridge@hotmail.com
=========================================================================
From: Simon Busbridge <S.C.Busbridge@bton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kings of the Air
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:12:16 +0100 (BST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n184
To all who sent me their address, copies have just gone out, and should
reach you shortly.
Thank you to everyone who offered to reimburse the postage. It's not
necessary in this case, but maybe there will be a return favour in the
future!
Simon
Simon Busbridge, BSc(Hons) PhD CPhys MInstP
School of Engineering
University of Brighton
Lewes Road
Moulsecoomb
Brighton BN2 4GJ
UNITED KINGDOM
Tel: 0044 (0)1273 642542
Fax: 0044 (0)1273 642327/642301
e-mail: s.c.busbridge@bton.ac.uk, scbusbridge@hotmail.com
=========================================================================
From: Patrick Currie <tubesguy@chorus.net>
Subject: [JN] Kit building goes public
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 11:06:16 -0500 (CDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n138
Anyone else see the syndicated article that ran in the newspaper yesterday?
Originated out of Dallas, I think, and it was about building electronic
kits in general, with a section on audio. Interviewed our friend Ron
Welborne. Jeepers, DIY in the newspaper. There goes the neighborhood. - Pat
=========================================================================
From: "Phil Sieg" <psieg@nxs.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kit building goes public
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:45:19 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n138
Next thing you know, all the Yuppies will abandon their SUVs and take up
audio kits as the next "in" thing.
Phil
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Currie <tubesguy@chorus.net>
To: <sound@deliverator.io.com>
Sent: 08 May, 1999 12.06
Subject: [JN] Kit building goes public
> Anyone else see the syndicated article that ran in the newspaper
yesterday?
> Originated out of Dallas, I think, and it was about building electronic
> kits in general, with a section on audio. Interviewed our friend Ron
> Welborne. Jeepers, DIY in the newspaper. There goes the neighborhood. -
Pat
>
>
=========================================================================
From: "Phil Sieg" <psieg@nxs.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Kit building goes public
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:57:32 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n138
Which means, of course, that Ralph Lauren will come out with a designer line
of chassis material:stains for exotic hardwood bases, top plates with polo
ponies on them, fine bone china knobs.. then Calvin Klein will put out
chassis that all have "Calvin" repeated around the perimeter...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Sieg <psieg@nxs.net>
To: <sound@deliverator.io.com>; Patrick Currie <tubesguy@chorus.net>
Sent: 08 May, 1999 14.45
Subject: Re: [JN] Kit building goes public
> Next thing you know, all the Yuppies will abandon their SUVs and take up
> audio kits as the next "in" thing.
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Currie <tubesguy@chorus.net>
> To: <sound@deliverator.io.com>
> Sent: 08 May, 1999 12.06
> Subject: [JN] Kit building goes public
>
>
> > Anyone else see the syndicated article that ran in the newspaper
> yesterday?
> > Originated out of Dallas, I think, and it was about building electronic
> > kits in general, with a section on audio. Interviewed our friend Ron
> > Welborne. Jeepers, DIY in the newspaper. There goes the neighborhood. -
> Pat
> >
> >
>
=========================================================================
From: Thomas Danley <Tom@ppci.com>
Subject: [JN] Kit building goes public
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:10:03 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n138
Phil Siege wrote:
> Next thing you know, all the Yuppies will abandon their SUVs and take
up
> audio kits as the next "in" thing.
>
> Phil
I can think of no better group (except for lawyers) to become
entheuastic
about playing with high voltage, with no background in electronics,
although
ultimately it will no doubt lead to more intrusive government
legislation "to
protect us" from our hobby / job.
Seriously though, maybe it is a cyclic thing I think, in the 50's and
60's
when I was a kid, Heath kit was a big company, there was Knight kit
(Allied
Radio) and Lafayette and others had many kits available.
Scratch building amateur radio gear back then was a high art. Looking
through old SST's and the ARRL stuff was /is a lot of fun and often full
of
practical tube info.
I think it was the advent of "disposable technology" and more persuasive
marketing that killed off most of the kit companies. "Who would want to
build a TV or Hi Fi when the kit costs as much or more than the mass
produced
pile on display" was the argument used at stores.
Tom Danley
=========================================================================
From: "Le Cleac'h J.-M." <lecleach@cgi.ensmp.fr>
Subject: [JN] Klangfilm
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:07:10 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n080
Ceci est un message multi-parties au format MIME.
- ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7233.4F06D920
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello everyone,
After I mentionned recently The Siemens Klangfilm Eurodyn as one of the
possible reference system for tube amplifiers comparison during meetings
like the last (and first) NY-noise someone asked for informations. Here are
some...
For the European movie industry, the importance of Klangfilm (Germany) and
Pathe (France) has to be considered as the importance of RCA and Western
Electric in USA for the American movie industry.
Klangfilm was belonging the the industrial group Siemens. Klangfilm
operated both in domains of image and sound. Siemens also buid several
famous tubes as the F2a, KL70403, SS1...I use myself one of the best tetrod
ever build: the Siemens 4Y75R (also build by Mazda in France, a very rare
tube...)
For movie theater sound systems, several famous loudspeakers and
loudspeakers systems were build by Klangfilm:
The most famous is the Klangfilm Eurodyn
The first versions of the Eurodyn used:
- a 15' bass loudspeaker reference KL401 having a 2800 ohms excitation
field coil
and
- a 2' compression driver KL301 with a excitation field coil (36pounds)
loading a 14.4 wide aluminum tractrix horn.
The efficiency of the Eurodyn was 105 dB / 1W / 1m.
Used with wings (like the VOT) or inserted inside a large planar baffle,
the Eurodyn is IMHO one of the most fine sounding loudspeaker system
dedicated to movie theater. Jean Hiraga did in spring 1993 a demo of the
Eurodyn at Espace Kiron here in Paris. For what I know the Eurodyn was also
much appreciated in Japan ...
I send you in attachment, a GIF file (17k) that comes good at printing
(may look weird on your screen though) of the Siemens Klangfilm Eurodyn.
There is also a last version of the Eurodyn using 3 x 10' bass loudspeakers
with Alnico magnets, a 1' compression driver and a horn with a 14.4 ' wide
square mouth Tractrix style (plastic).
Other louspeakers from Klangfilm:
- Klangfilm Euronor (a huge thing with giant tractrix bass horn loading 4
bass drivers,also 4 tractrix horns, the same as in the Eurodyn, were used
in the medium)
- Klangfilm Bionor (excellent), which one possess a bass horn loading 2
drivers and the same horn + compression driver as the first Eurodyn.
More conventional (no compression drivers, no horns...): the Europhon
Some bibliography:
Stereo Sound 1995 Issue 63, a special anniversary issue with famous audio
products described in Stereo Sound papers of the period 1966-1982
see the pages related to issue N°10 Spring 1969 and issue N°61 Winter 1982
(in Japanese)
"Haut-parleur Siemens Klangfilm Eurodyn, by Jean Hiraga
L'Audiophile July/August 1993, No 25, Page 83-90 (in French)
Seems to remember on Thomas Dunker's website a picture of the tractrix
giant bass horn of the Euronor...
Best regards,
Jean-Michel Le Cleac'h, Paris, France
- ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7233.4F06D920
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Klangfilm.gif"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Description: Klangfilm (Image au format GIF)
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Klangfilm.gif"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- ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7233.4F06D920--
=========================================================================
From: ALEXSCIFI@aol.com
Subject: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:31:58 EDT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n877
- --part1_54.13d4b3d3.2820e7be_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone use either the classic Klipsch corner horn or the new small RB-5=
=20
speakers? In the case of the later, I just heard them at a local dealer and=20
thought from a quick listen, they weren't half bad. The RB-5s have a claimed=
=20
sensitivity of 96db, with a 1 inch driver loaded by a a 90=B0x 60=B0 Tractri=
x=20
Horn? Seems like it might be a good speaker to do an initial "feet wet" SET=20
system.
Alex
- --part1_54.13d4b3d3.2820e7be_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyone use either th=
e classic Klipsch corner horn or the new small RB-5=20
<BR>speakers? In the case of the later, I just heard them at a local dealer=20=
and=20
<BR>thought from a quick listen, they weren't half bad. The RB-5s have a cla=
imed=20
<BR>sensitivity of 96db, with a 1 inch driver loaded by a a 90=B0x 60=B0 Tra=
ctrix=20
<BR>Horn? Seems like it might be a good speaker to do an initial "feet wet"=20=
SET=20
<BR>system.
<BR>
<BR>Alex</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR></FONT></HTML>
- --part1_54.13d4b3d3.2820e7be_boundary--
=========================================================================
From: Raymond Koonce <rkoonce@tyler.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:14:31 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
I auditioned a pair of RB-5s in my home, but I returned them. Didn't
think they were worth the money and returned 'em. I'm using 1977
Cornwalls now and I really like them (powered by 6SL7 - UX-245 SET).
The only downside is their size, but I have a large listening room, so
it's ok. Good WAF too.
Regards,
Raymond
ALEXSCIFI@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone use either the classic Klipsch corner horn or the new
> small RB-5
> speakers? In the case of the later, I just heard them at a local
> dealer and
> thought from a quick listen, they weren't half bad. The RB-5s have a
> claimed
> sensitivity of 96db, with a 1 inch driver loaded by a a 90°x 60°
> Tractrix
> Horn? Seems like it might be a good speaker to do an initial "feet
> wet" SET
> system.
>
> Alex
- --
Raymond
TX USA
=========================================================================
From: TubeGarden@aol.com
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:42:01 EDT
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
- --part1_104.2c5ee87.28215a99_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Greets!
I have klipsch 2,1, which was my first. also the heresy, bought used and
tamed with some plumber's putty :)
now, in 20/20 hindsight, the edgarhorn 300 Hz with a Fostex FE127 and a
simple sub are much better for less money.
just my 0.02pF
Happy Ears!
Al B^}
- --part1_104.2c5ee87.28215a99_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>Greets!
<BR>
<BR>I have klipsch 2,1, which was my first. also the heresy, bought used and
<BR>tamed with some plumber's putty :)
<BR>
<BR>now, in 20/20 hindsight, the edgarhorn 300 Hz with a Fostex FE127 and a
<BR>simple sub are much better for less money.
<BR>
<BR>just my 0.02pF
<BR>
<BR>Happy Ears!
<BR>Al B^}
<BR>
<BR></FONT></HTML>
- --part1_104.2c5ee87.28215a99_boundary--
=========================================================================
From: "Thomas Sylvester" <TRS@carlsmith.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:55:51 -1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
Hi Alex-
A while ago I took an Audio Note 300B SET amp over to a friend's house to try out with his '80s-vint
age unmodified La Belle Klipsch LSs. Source was a Marantz CD-63 playing through a highly modified P
hillips 760 DAC directly into the amp. Only other change was replacing zip cord with Monster cable.
The sound in his living room (about 30' x 20', split level, glass wall behind listening position) wa
s among the best and most powerful I have ever heard. Bass was extravagant, but the biggest improve
ment was the treble. Klipsch used a cheap Motorola piezoelectric tweeter in this model, and with my
friend's original Denon ss gear the sound was enough to drive you to drink. With the SET the treble
was perfectly balanced, almost as good as the Pyramid T-1 ribbon tweeter, which was very highly reg
arded in its day.
BTW, used La Scalas periodically turn up on eBay (whoops - am I allowed to mention that word here?)
and sell for $1K or less (but shipping at 300 lbs/pair could really hurt). Also, there are a few co
mpanies that make modified crossovers, but I haven't heard one.
Hey, have any of you out there been able to answer Joe Roberts' request (many SPs ago) for info on a
specially designed match between Klipsches and the Brook 12A?
Regards, Tom Sylvester
=========================================================================
From: "Thomas Sylvester" <TRS@carlsmith.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:19:26 -1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
Because the Monster cable looks cool and costs only 6 times as much as Romex.
>>> Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu> 05/02/01 09:12AM >>>
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Thomas Sylvester wrote:
> Hi Alex- A while ago I took an Audio Note 300B SET amp over to a
> friend's house to try out with his '80s-vintage unmodified La Belle
> Klipsch LSs. Source was a Marantz CD-63 playing through a highly
> modified Phillips 760 DAC directly into the amp. Only other change
> was replacing zip cord with Monster cable.
Why not just put a plug on a length of Romex?
Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:12:38 -0600 (MDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Thomas Sylvester wrote:
> Hi Alex- A while ago I took an Audio Note 300B SET amp over to a
> friend's house to try out with his '80s-vintage unmodified La Belle
> Klipsch LSs. Source was a Marantz CD-63 playing through a highly
> modified Phillips 760 DAC directly into the amp. Only other change
> was replacing zip cord with Monster cable.
Why not just put a plug on a length of Romex?
Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: "Thomas Sylvester" <TRS@carlsmith.com>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:41:24 -1000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
Hi David-
I'm sure you're right, but I always thought that Electrovoice sourced their piezo tweeters from Moto
rola.
>>> David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net> 05/02/01 12:14PM >>>
On Wed, 02 May 2001 08:55:51 -1000, Thomas Sylvester
<TRS@carlsmith.com> wrote:
>Klipsch used a cheap Motorola piezoelectric tweeter in this model...
Shouldn't that be an EV T35?
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: Douglas Purl <dcp@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:20:08 -0600 (MDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Thomas Sylvester wrote:
> Because the Monster cable looks cool and costs only 6 times as much as Romex.
I am glad you clarified this, Tommy. I am not very sophisticated about
these matters. I am guilty of looking at the issue superficially.
DP
> > Hi Alex- A while ago I took an Audio Note 300B SET amp over to a
> > friend's house to try out with his '80s-vintage unmodified La Belle
> > Klipsch LSs. Source was a Marantz CD-63 playing through a highly
> > modified Phillips 760 DAC directly into the amp. Only other change
> > was replacing zip cord with Monster cable.
> Why not just put a plug on a length of Romex?
> Doug Purl
=========================================================================
From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:14:56 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
On Wed, 02 May 2001 13:12:38 -0600 (MDT), Douglas Purl
<dcp@selway.umt.edu> wrote:
>Why not just put a plug on a length of Romex?
An Edison plug? Will a K-horn stand up to 120VAC/60Hz? And even if
it can, I imagine it would get kinda monotonous after a while.
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: David Barnett <d_n_b@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch?
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:47:02 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n878
On Wed, 02 May 2001 13:41:24 -1000, Thomas Sylvester
<TRS@carlsmith.com> wrote:
>>Shouldn't that be an EV T35?
>I'm sure you're right, but I always thought that Electrovoice sourced their piezo tweeters from Mot
orola.
The EV T35 is not a piezo, it is a dynamic horn tweeter with a
phenolic diaphragm.
- --dnb
=========================================================================
From: Peter Boser <pboser@yahoo.com>
Subject: [JN] Klipsch Cornwall speakers
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n038
Does anyone have experience with Klipsch Cornwall speakers? There's
an adult-owned pair for sale near here at what seems to be a
reasonable price.
Thanks,
Pete
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
=========================================================================
From: Derrick Beckner <dgb@psulias.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch Cornwall speakers
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:43:52 -0500
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n039
I auditioned the whole line of Klipsch about 10 years ago, as well as ADS,
B&W, Polk, Mirage and a whole slew of other $600-$1200 speakers, and the
Cornwall sounded outstanding, very powerful and clear sound, nice depth,
crisp highs, tight bass, the whole bit. If you like drums in particular, I
highly reccomend them.
I bought a pair of KG-4 myself, they were a little cheaper and smaller, but
the Cornwalls would have been my choice given more money and space. Still
have my KG4s too, they have done a great job, and I think think they are
very attractive, especially with a Walnut finish. The KG-4 have the horn
tweeter, 2 8" woofers and a 12" rear firing passive woofer. I believe the
Cornwalls have a horn tweeter and midrange, and a 12" active woofer.
Other nice feature of Klipsch is they require very little power, great for
tube amps and other low power amps. I have a 50 watt amp, and my ears will
bleed before I even make the thing break a sweat. The also sound very full
even at low volume levels.
At 07:31 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Peter Boser wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with Klipsch Cornwall speakers? There's
>an adult-owned pair for sale near here at what seems to be a
>reasonable price.
>Thanks,
>Pete
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Vote for the Meadow Party
Bill n' Opus 2000
....ack....
A dead cat has no moral entanglements
Derrick Beckner
=========================================================================
From: Michael Ulbrich <mul@lab1033.berlin.ptb.de>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch Cornwall speakers
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:12:36 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n040
Hi Peter,
I bought a pair of vintage Cornwalls (ca. 1970) about a year ago. They
have AlNiCo squawks and tweets and a 15inch woofer with square shaped
ceramic magnet. Claimed efficiency is 100dB/W/m and indeed they go very
loud with fleapower amps. After trying some tweaks on the original
crossover (600Hz/6kHz) I decided that the built in horns were not after
my taste and I got a pair of Altec 811/806A which I crossed over at
800Hz first order to use them with the woofer alone. This gives a very
dynamic and clean sound with a substantial low end. The enclosure
resembles an Onken-style cabinet with asymmetrically mounted woofer and
a narrow, long port on one short side. By using it with the external
horn the box can deliberately be used on one of its four sides to tune
the low end wrt the room, each time varying the distance of the woofer
to the room boundaries. This has been appreciated because low room
resonances can be quite annoying with these speakers.
HTH ... Michael U.
=========================================================================
From: Dale Simon <Dale.Simon@lucasvarity.com>
Subject: [JN] Klipsche A51V
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:13 +0000
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n333
As the subject says, does anyone know anything about a Klipsche A51V driver and horn? (I think I sp
elled Klipsche wrong, don't tell Paul) I have one. I haven't tested it yet though.
Dale
=========================================================================
From: Conrad Drake <conrad@directwest.iinet.net.au>
Subject: [JN] Klipsch Heresy II for sale in Oz Was: [Re: Spam]
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:36:29 +0800
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n248
For Joe-listers in Oz Trevor Wilson (at http://www.hutch.com.au/~rage)
has some horns for sale.
Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> I have recently traded a superb pair of US built, Klipsch Heresy II
> LOUDspeakers, in black. For headbangers and those who enjoy the ease of horn
> speakers, these excellent speakers will fit the bill nicely. I am selling
> them for only AUS$1,000.00. The last retail price of this speaker was in
> excess of $3,000.00. The usual upgrade can be applied to these speakers for
> only $350.00. Satisfaction guranteed, of course.
- --
Direct West Invs. Solutions for Embedded Systems.
conrad.drake@directwest.iinet.net.au (ph)+61 8 9285 1000
http://directwest.iinet.net.au (mb)+61 40 747 1611
12 Gayton Road, City Beach, WA 6015 AUSTRALIA
=========================================================================
From: cgooch@jarl.cs.uop.edu
Subject: [JN] Klipsch K33...
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n519
K33 t/s params.....
Here are the parameters:
01-SPEC 15162 04-DATE 11/30/92
02-PART # K-33 03-MODEL # 1520F5637
05-RE OHMS 3.39 13-FS HZ 34.46
06-LE MH .96 14-MMS GMS 78.59
07-QM 7.39 15-CMS mm/N .2714
08-QE .410 16-RMS NS/M 2.3037
09-QT .390 17-VAS LTRS 301.66
10-XMAX MM 8.20 18-SD SCM 889.59
11-BL TM 11.88 19-EBP 84.4
12-EFF % 2.91 20-SPL dB 96.6
=========================================================================
From: Timo Christ <carnivor@uni-bremen.de>
Subject: [JN] Klipsch La Scala / FSH
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:54:04 +0100
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n711
Hi all,
(sorry if this shows up twice, i have problems posting here)
i have a question about the well known Klipsch La Scala basshorn. I have
never seen one but studied the material found on Klipsch's BB
(www.klipsch.kom) and audioasylum.com.
How is the driver fixed to its baffle?
As far as i can see there is a triangular opening at the bottom of the
back chamber so that the driver can be put inside the horn. But how is
it fixed there?
Any help appreciated!
Jim (de Kort, www.vt52.com), how is your La Scala project going?
Tom Brennan, i read in one of the forums that you think the Peavey FSH
is a better horn to DIY-copy because it has more reflectors and response
to 500 Hz. I agree with you, but are plans for the Peavey FSH available?
Or would you like to measure everything on your pair and draw a plan?
:-)
How is driver access organized on the FSH?
Thanks, Regards
Timo
- --
/ /--' Timo Christ carnivore@uni-bremen.de
/ /<-. EE Student University of Bremen, Germany
__/ /__/ Horns 'r more fun:
' http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~carnivor/
=========================================================================
From: "Ferenc Koscso" <vektorbp@mail.datanet.hu>
Subject: [JN] Klipsch LaScala tweeter
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:35:34 +0200
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n164
Can anybody give me a place to buy two replacement tweeters for Klipsch
LaScala loudspeakers? There is an Electro Voice model in one of the old MCM
Catalogue which is very similar. Is it the right one?
Thanks
Ferenc Koscso
- --
VEKTOR SYSTEM HOUSE
>http://www.vektor.hu
BUDAPEST
Gyömröi u. 76-80.
H-1103
Hungary
T:+36 1 2621022
F:+36 1 2627083
Mobile:+36 309350606
Private Fax: +36 1 4035383
E-mail:>vektorbp@mail.datanet.hu
Mobile e-mail:>koscsof@westel900.net
=========================================================================
From: Scott Grammer <tubedude@cdc.net>
Subject: Re: [JN] Klipsch LaScala tweeter
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:45:11 -0400
Source: Sound Digest Archive v02.n165
Ferenc Koscso wrote:
> Can anybody give me a place to buy two replacement tweeters for Klipsch
> LaScala loudspeakers? There is an Electro Voice model in one of the old MCM
> Catalogue which is very similar. Is it the right one?(snip)
It is a T-35, which